Worst part about getting a different boat ...

[Wayne nicol]

very amusing and descriptive Matt, - bet youre having a blast though !
as for the "ropes": There can be more than one rope on a boat. A sail may have a bolt rope. On a manual start outboard motor there is a pull rope. Each yard on a square rigged sailing ship is equipped with a foot rope for sailors to stand on while setting or stowing the sails. If the boat has a bell, it would also have a bell rope with which to ring it.
cheers
wayne

[Highlander]

Wayne
How,s ur Sketch mast mod going u still working on that !!. u made up ur mind which way u r going !!

Matt
No sympathy for u @ All . U shoulda made ur boat into a clipper rig like my boat , U,d get a lot more Attention & praise for ur efforts & mods ,

So now u r telling us u need a bunch of mac modder,s to see u through this change - over , OK I,ll be the first to sacrifice my time & help u through this challenging time maybe some of my budds MMOT can come with me see what we can do for U !
#1 help u drink ur beer & Scotch
#2 same as above
#3 same as above
#4 !!!!!!!!!!! OK how big a bowsprit u want , how many head sails , stay sails etc,

Just Saying Oh Yeh u pay my travel expenses , food & board

J

[BOAT]

Ropes on a boat - Yeah, I know they are lines, and a painter on dinghy and halyards on masts and sheets on sails.
If you take the line with you when you cast off it's called a dock line, if you leave it on the dock it's called a rope.

Do you know the name of the line used as a down-haul on stunsails? (And don't say 'downhaul' - downhaul is only used on a top gallant if your not on a Marconi rig)

I was taught how to back a Barque away from a pier when I was 13 years old. To do it right you must tell the crew what lines to pull, (say: "haulaway") you can use the crossjack and at least one top gallant, although in light wind I once saw a guy do it with only the fore royal (he had a guy way up high to do that). The reason they use those is so they can see better in the bay - if you set the big sails (like the main course or the fore course) it makes it hard to see other boats and docks. It's better not to use the crossjack but if your boat is a fat heavy pig like the one I was on you need more than a mizzen or a topsail to get it moving.

I'm not much at nautical terms - I think i mentioned that before.

Hey Matt! I think we might go to the Harbor for breakfast tomorrow so maybe I'll see you then.

[Ixneigh]

I dunno, fat heavy pig seems pretty well an accepted nautical term.
Oh and I have in the past wondered when I saw old pictures of large sailing ships and the only had the upper sails set. I never thought about it before, but the guy steering probably couldn't see #%^# when all the sails where set.
Ix

[Catigale]

do you at least get to pull on a rope?

Ropes? On a boat?

Bell rope
Bolt rope

And two others I've forgotten but Kmac will fill in for me shortly....

On edit...Wayne Nichol covered above!!

[BOAT]

I dunno, fat heavy pig seems pretty well an accepted nautical term.
Oh and I have in the past wondered when I saw old pictures of large sailing ships and the only had the upper sails set. I never thought about it before, but the guy steering probably couldn't see #%^# when all the sails where set.
Ix

Yeah - the course (those are the big sails at the very bottom) have a lot of pull - back in those days the weakness of the technology was the spars: as the mast gets higher it gets weaker - in fact usually the mast is in three pieces on anything bigger than a brigantine to get all the way to the top: they did not have the materials engineering then that we have today. So, you only put small sails on the top so the mast does not break. (Sort of reverse of how we would do it today). Only the very strong ships could handle stunsails and that's why you don't see them very often and they are seen in 18th century paintings because they were rare to see in real life - they were never raised in a bay or harbor so few land lubbers ever saw one. I have never seen a stunsail in real life in action because all the boats now that have them are antiques and too old so skippers dare raise them for fear of dismasting.
To back from a captive pier (inside two piers side by side) the captain would tie a loose aft line (slack line) to the dock and set all forward dock lines to capstan (a windlass for us) and six guys would winch the boat backwards. The wind would be mostly abeam so the boat would crush the opposing pier if you raised a jib or a spanker (which is what us guys who sail Marconi rigs would probably do). The crossjack is a lower sail that can be reefed - beginners would use that sail, a pro would drop one or two of the royals and a topgallant if he's in a hurry: royals can't be reefed, they are like 'on' or 'off'. As the boat clears the pier the captain orders to cast off the bow (back in those days the harbormaster owned the dock lines, NOT the ship) thus, they are ROPES. When the bow is free it will swing out away from the pier because of the sails and as that happens the captain tells them to 'haulaway" on the aft line further turning the boat towards the sea. The rudder is not responsive at all during this entire process, (it only has an effective angle of about 35 degrees), but when the slack line is hauled in it turns the boat out to sea, then they cast off that line and it too becomes a 'rope'.

[mastreb]

Wayne
How,s ur Sketch mast mod going u still working on that !!. u made up ur mind which way u r going !!

Matt
No sympathy for u @ All . U shoulda made ur boat into a clipper rig like my boat , U,d get a lot more Attention & praise for ur efforts & mods ,

So now u r telling us u need a bunch of mac modder,s to see u through this change - over , OK I,ll be the first to sacrifice my time & help u through this challenging time maybe some of my budds MMOT can come with me see what we can do for U !
#1 help u drink ur beer & Scotch
#2 same as above
#3 same as above
#4 !!!!!!!!!!! OK how big a bowsprit u want , how many head sails , stay sails etc,

Just Saying Oh Yeh u pay my travel expenses , food & board

J

When it's time to rig an Asymmetrical, I'll give you a call. I've got a bottle of 21-year-old Aberfeldy single malt I'll save till then.

[mastreb]

BOAT--Sorry, we arrived Thursday (too much weather on Wednesday) and pull out tomorrow morning around 10 a.m. to sail back. If you'd like to spend the day on the water you're welcome to sail with. Text me if you want.

[BOAT]

Thanks I would have dropped in but the girls are going back to college so we took them to Disneyland.

[Highlander]

Thanks I would have dropped in but the girls are going back to college so we took them to Disneyland.

Geez I hope that was not for a Mickey Mouse Degree !!!
sorry boat no pun intended but I could just not resist !!

J

[BOAT]

I wonder what kind of degree I would get at Clown College? You think they would sheet me from a cannon?

[wincrasher26]

Beneteau has manufactured boats in Marion, SC since 1986. The parent company is French, but a boat you buy in the US was likely manufactured here. A good thing really.

http://www.murrayyachtsales.com/wp-cont ... s-2005.pdf

[mastreb]

Yep, my boat is Hull #3, but it was the second one produced in the U.S. at the SC factory. Hull #1 was produced in France and is now doing a transatlantic with the grandson of Beneteau at the helm, while hull #2 was on the show/review circuit. Mine was actually the first sold. They're already at Hull #87, which was just delivered to Sweden.

[BOAT]

Beneteau has manufactured boats in Marion, SC since 1986. The parent company is French, but a boat you buy in the US was likely manufactured here. A good thing really.

http://www.murrayyachtsales.com/wp-cont ... s-2005.pdf

Quote: "That boat you got there is made by a French company that has been building boats since the early 1800's. And unlike Hunter and Jensen and 99% of all the other boat builders in the world over the past 250 years, Beneteau has NOT gone out of business, gone bankrupt, or been sold. They pretty much know how to build a boat better than anyone else in the world. It's unlikely your going to find a community of salty do it yourselfers running around posting on blogs asking for mods."



Who said the boats were made in France??


Not me. I worked for Siemens for 6 years - but I was not in Germany. Siemens is a German Company. Beneteau is a FRENCH company. Neither of them are US companies.

[kmclemore]

do you at least get to pull on a rope?

Ropes? On a boat?

Bell rope
Bolt rope

And two others I've forgotten but Kmac will fill in for me shortly....

On edit...Wayne Nichol covered above!!

The canonical list... from a previous discussion on this...

Surprisingly, there are actually a lot of ropes that are used on boats:

1. Bolt Rope - along the edge of a sail
2. Starter rope - for the outboard
3. Foot rope - the line that hangs under the spars on vintage ships, used for walking upon
4. Buoy rope - to haul or anchor a buoy
5. Yard Rope - for hauling yard arms
6. Wheel ropes - for transferring motion of the wheel to the rudder -- replaced by cables in modern boats
7. Man rope - the rope used as a handrail along a gangplank
8. Mast rope - for hauling up the top mast
9. Bell rope - used for ringing the ship's bell
10. Tiller rope - similar function to the wheel rope, it is used to steady the tiller.

Of course, only #'s 1, 2, 4, 7, 9 and 10 are used on modern boats, so there's really only 6 in current use, that I can think of. Any more to add to the list?

Any "rope" in the hardware store becomes a "line" as soon as it HAS A USE aboard your boat.*

"Rope" which is not currently assigned a use is still called 'rope' on a boat, since rope is the material that it is made from and no other name is appropriate. Once it has a use, it acquires a name and is no longer called a 'rope' (unless 'rope' is a part of the proper name of the item, of course).

*(Although, as noted, there are exceptions to being called a 'line'.)

Now the real question.... what 10 other singular nautical 'ropes' are made of rope but are not called either a rope, a sheet or a line?
(And no fair peeking at the previous discussion!)