If he isn't getting any "fancy" toys, then he is being overcharged! straight and simple!
But if he would cut his hand buttering bread, then self made mods are out of the questions and then he has to pay "what the market" will bear, I guess.
Rich
I was aproached Saturday by a new buyer
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richandlori
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aya16
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In the storage area where my boat is there is not a day that goes by when Im there that someone doesnt come by to chat with me about the boat. I like people and will share whatever info I have. Inmon should give me a commission as I sent him a few people that I know bought boats.
Really though I like to see the interest. I did notice a few things on the invoice the guy had that wasnt there when I bought mine. And there can be a case made for not having to many things on the options list as most people will want all the options and now your taking a 25000 dollar boat and the finale cost is up to 40,000. Thats getting close to a decent used keelboat. Although it wouldnt be portable like the Mac. And you would have to put it in a slip.
For me I havent ever taken the mast completely down and trailered since I bought it. This will be the first time next week. And I will see for myself if the portability of the Mac is all it cracked up to be. It took me last weekend Over two hours to drop the mast secure everything and get it ready for my trip but It was the first time and I did have to make the 4 inch PVC support for the furler.
Another note: on a boat I would consider instead of the Mac, There are a few corsairs (I think thats how you spell it) at the storage lot Im at.
These boats have three hulls and are fast. Two weeks ago a Corsair owner came and asked me to help him lower his mast. I jumped at the chance to check this 28 footer out.
New these boats go for 120,000 when I got up on deck and saw below I was shocked. The boat is not roomy, there is very little comfort below, and it comes with a small outboard for power. The owner said he has sailed at speeds near 18 mph, but normally around 12mph. He asked how fast the Mac will go under power I replied that I would be on my second buffalo milk in Catalina by the time he got there if we left at the same time. Had to throw that in...Anyway the point is I see all kinds of boats that might be a better choice looking from the outside but none seem to compare to the comfort inside for the size. Open and roomy is what the Mac has. So maybe Inmon doesnt owe me the boat will sell itself.
Is it worth 40,000? I guess it is. It just kind of took me back when I saw the invoice.
In the storage area where my boat is there is not a day that goes by when Im there that someone doesnt come by to chat with me about the boat. I like people and will share whatever info I have. Inmon should give me a commission as I sent him a few people that I know bought boats.
Really though I like to see the interest. I did notice a few things on the invoice the guy had that wasnt there when I bought mine. And there can be a case made for not having to many things on the options list as most people will want all the options and now your taking a 25000 dollar boat and the finale cost is up to 40,000. Thats getting close to a decent used keelboat. Although it wouldnt be portable like the Mac. And you would have to put it in a slip.
For me I havent ever taken the mast completely down and trailered since I bought it. This will be the first time next week. And I will see for myself if the portability of the Mac is all it cracked up to be. It took me last weekend Over two hours to drop the mast secure everything and get it ready for my trip but It was the first time and I did have to make the 4 inch PVC support for the furler.
Another note: on a boat I would consider instead of the Mac, There are a few corsairs (I think thats how you spell it) at the storage lot Im at.
These boats have three hulls and are fast. Two weeks ago a Corsair owner came and asked me to help him lower his mast. I jumped at the chance to check this 28 footer out.
New these boats go for 120,000 when I got up on deck and saw below I was shocked. The boat is not roomy, there is very little comfort below, and it comes with a small outboard for power. The owner said he has sailed at speeds near 18 mph, but normally around 12mph. He asked how fast the Mac will go under power I replied that I would be on my second buffalo milk in Catalina by the time he got there if we left at the same time. Had to throw that in...Anyway the point is I see all kinds of boats that might be a better choice looking from the outside but none seem to compare to the comfort inside for the size. Open and roomy is what the Mac has. So maybe Inmon doesnt owe me the boat will sell itself.
Is it worth 40,000? I guess it is. It just kind of took me back when I saw the invoice.
I'm one of those guys with one screwdriver but have subsequently bought a battery charged drill, saws, and many other tools to work on my 26x. That said, I've paid professionals for most of my mods, and I have almost all of them. I've done simple things myself, but am happy to pay people to do things I know will take me days to figure out-- that's why I get paid to do things I enjoy for a living.
My father wasn't a tool happy fix-it kind of guy(tho I wish he was) so I pretty much start from scratch if I did each mod. I've learned a bunch, and love having the boat in my backyard for simple maintenance and oggling. I have found that sometimes less is more-- I have taken off many things that are not essential (such as dishes, space heater, food) unless you live on the boat. I do like to double up on safety items(anchors, gps, motors, sails). I plan on keeping this boat pretty much forever, so am not worried about recouping money on pricey items like a nice dodger, stereo, radar, autopilot.
The boat is such an inexpensive overall value, I am now stretching my imagination on way to spend more money for boat things. It is fun taking things off and putting them back, depending on the next type of trip I take. Off to Catalina 2 harbors this thursday-friday!
Rolf
My father wasn't a tool happy fix-it kind of guy(tho I wish he was) so I pretty much start from scratch if I did each mod. I've learned a bunch, and love having the boat in my backyard for simple maintenance and oggling. I have found that sometimes less is more-- I have taken off many things that are not essential (such as dishes, space heater, food) unless you live on the boat. I do like to double up on safety items(anchors, gps, motors, sails). I plan on keeping this boat pretty much forever, so am not worried about recouping money on pricey items like a nice dodger, stereo, radar, autopilot.
The boat is such an inexpensive overall value, I am now stretching my imagination on way to spend more money for boat things. It is fun taking things off and putting them back, depending on the next type of trip I take. Off to Catalina 2 harbors this thursday-friday!
Rolf
Im over 40K on my financial projections! Yep 90% dealer install & top shelf electronics package due to exactly what Theo said tax purposes. and maybe some laziness on my part now but Ill be fixing all the lose ends the dealer messes up Yes sir I am a little sticker shocked too, but do the numbers; 19/20K new bare boat, 1500 trailer upgrades, 3K electronics, 6/7K additional mods fitted to my specs, 6K power plant, 3k sails/rudder/bracket/hardware upgrades, now add dealer commissioning & uncle sam you bet it will be around 40K about the price of a good truck but a lot more bang for the buck & I can write off some of it over the years. Glad I already have something to pull this rig with so not another 35/40K to explain to you no who! Either way for what Im building & using this boat for its a bargain hands down all day
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richandlori
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Mainsail; 2 reef points / 6.0 Dacron / full battens / offshore-performance $895.00
150% Genoa (roller furling); 5.5 Dacron / offshore-performance / #6 tape $725.00
Jib; 6.0 Dacron / offshore-performance $425.00
Cruising Spinnaker; $425.00
Covers/Sunbrella; ballpark $600.00
Rudders/hardware; are figured in as part of the mod costs; 6/7K along with upgraded standing & running rigging, masthead LED lighting, antennas vhf/ssb, wind interments wiring, extended bim/dodger, extra fresh water tankage, marine head w/holding tank pump outs, add ons to the electronics etc.
Trailer; Difference between Mac stock & galvanized, tandem, 15 Wheels/Tires with disk brakes. Ill do bunk boards guides etc. $1500.00
When I get the master list done with true costs Ill post it plus I know Ill add another 10% to my costs from past experience.
Aya this boat is being built for other than casual lake usage and day sailing. I have blue water & Great Lakes experience both power & sail. My 1st planed boat for my current planed purposes was a Corsair 31CC or Farrier F33 Tri, Ive sailed both and spending a week on the 31CC is not comfortable living wise so about 6 months ago I was driving down I-10 in AZ headed for Mexico and someone blew by me doing close to 90mph with this Blue thing hanging off the rear end of an older Dodge Ram dully boat trailing steady as could be. I dont no who you are but if your on this list you had a beautiful rig Im figuring it was a delivery cause the boat look to be shrink wrapped. So the Light Bulb went off in my head that night after a few Reserva de Casa Tequilas for the cost of a 31CC or F33 outfitted to my specs I could finish my housing plans in Mexico fully outfit a M26 my specs white hull buy a Moorings 4000 catamaran lease it back to The Moorings Charter Fleet done this before with CSY 44 you guys in FL will no what I talking about & the boat have 9 weeks owner privileges in 9 of the most desirable Cruising Grounds in the World and have enough pesos left over for another bottle of primo Tequila and thats exactly what I doing Good Lord Willing
150% Genoa (roller furling); 5.5 Dacron / offshore-performance / #6 tape $725.00
Jib; 6.0 Dacron / offshore-performance $425.00
Cruising Spinnaker; $425.00
Covers/Sunbrella; ballpark $600.00
Rudders/hardware; are figured in as part of the mod costs; 6/7K along with upgraded standing & running rigging, masthead LED lighting, antennas vhf/ssb, wind interments wiring, extended bim/dodger, extra fresh water tankage, marine head w/holding tank pump outs, add ons to the electronics etc.
Trailer; Difference between Mac stock & galvanized, tandem, 15 Wheels/Tires with disk brakes. Ill do bunk boards guides etc. $1500.00
When I get the master list done with true costs Ill post it plus I know Ill add another 10% to my costs from past experience.
Aya this boat is being built for other than casual lake usage and day sailing. I have blue water & Great Lakes experience both power & sail. My 1st planed boat for my current planed purposes was a Corsair 31CC or Farrier F33 Tri, Ive sailed both and spending a week on the 31CC is not comfortable living wise so about 6 months ago I was driving down I-10 in AZ headed for Mexico and someone blew by me doing close to 90mph with this Blue thing hanging off the rear end of an older Dodge Ram dully boat trailing steady as could be. I dont no who you are but if your on this list you had a beautiful rig Im figuring it was a delivery cause the boat look to be shrink wrapped. So the Light Bulb went off in my head that night after a few Reserva de Casa Tequilas for the cost of a 31CC or F33 outfitted to my specs I could finish my housing plans in Mexico fully outfit a M26 my specs white hull buy a Moorings 4000 catamaran lease it back to The Moorings Charter Fleet done this before with CSY 44 you guys in FL will no what I talking about & the boat have 9 weeks owner privileges in 9 of the most desirable Cruising Grounds in the World and have enough pesos left over for another bottle of primo Tequila and thats exactly what I doing Good Lord Willing
Properly setup Corsair "used 31 converted to a CC31" if anyone is interested in some comparisons to a seaworthy Mac 26; X or M done right, price difference about 140K.
Corsair 31CC 2001;
SAILS: 2002 Main Sail - Dacron
2002 Jib Sail - With Titaniun Pro-Furl System
2003 Screacher - Mylar Multi-Colour with Harken
Roller Furler
MOTOR: 2002 Yamaha 9.9 4-stroke
8 gallon tank with inspection port for filling
Full controll Steering and Tilt System from cockpit
new prop in use and also new spare prop still in the
box
spare pieces: prop nut, anode, oil and fuel
filters, spark plugs, engine tools, drain
plug, etc.
MAST: Aluminum Rotating Mast
all rigging and diamond covered with PVC covers
2 heavy-duty Harken blocks to raise and lower mast
from boat in the water
sealed water-proof steam and deck lights on mast
(better than factory standard)
2 windex - one on top of mast and one on bow sprit
Lightning Disipator on top of mast
NAVIGATION: Richie Bulkhead Compass with Compensator
(not factory standard)
Garmin GPS 12
ELECTRONICS: Ray Marine 45 VHS Radio Waterproof
Multi-Data Horizon 150
Depth/Speed/Temperature Gauge
Ray Marine ST 1000 plus Auto Pilot
Aiwa Radio, DVD, Cassette
Player (functions with 12 volt)
55 Watts Siemens Solar Panel
mounted on stainless steel stern rail with direct
installation to 2 gel sealed
marine batteries with Amperes Meter Charge Gauge
Electric Horn Stainless Steel
Inverter 12 -110 350 watts
HARDWARE: 3 self tailing winches (Harken) with 3
clutches
Floating TITAN Double Handed Winch Handle
Harken Handle Winch (factory
standard)
Carbon Fiber Bow Sprit with
epoxy non-slip paint
Rigging Tensioner Tool
Folding 4-step stainless steel boarding ladder
EXTERIOR: New Bottom Paint
Sunrise Bow Nets and Wing Nets
Boom Wing Nets
Bimini Top with Polished
Stainless Steel Frame and Back Drop plus Dodger
Additions
Folding Captains Chair and
Cushions
Stainless Steel Barbeque
Mounted on Stern Rail
Lazy Jack System Controlled at
Mast
INTERIOR: All cushions remain in plastic
covering from factory
Microwave
Marine Head with Spare Kit for re-building
Holding Tank with Y-Valve
Extra Fresh Water Bladder (9
gallons) Factory Installed
Cabin Fan and Extra Reading
Light
Air Conditioner Portable
Adjustable Main Cabin Bed with
Cushions
Silent Electrical Water Pump in
Demand with Accumulator
Propane Water Heater
Additional Salt Water Pump in
Galley Sink
Fire Extinguisher
Aft-Cabin Window Shades
ANCHOR: Stainless Steel Delta 15 lb with
Stainless Steel Swivel and Stainless Steel 25'
Chain and 120' Anchor Line mouted on
Roller Anchor in Bow with Chain Tensioner.
2nd Anchor - 9 lb Delta with
25' chain and 100' of line (now you can sleep at
night)
Fenders, Docking Lines, etc.
Corsair 31CC 2001;
SAILS: 2002 Main Sail - Dacron
2002 Jib Sail - With Titaniun Pro-Furl System
2003 Screacher - Mylar Multi-Colour with Harken
Roller Furler
MOTOR: 2002 Yamaha 9.9 4-stroke
8 gallon tank with inspection port for filling
Full controll Steering and Tilt System from cockpit
new prop in use and also new spare prop still in the
box
spare pieces: prop nut, anode, oil and fuel
filters, spark plugs, engine tools, drain
plug, etc.
MAST: Aluminum Rotating Mast
all rigging and diamond covered with PVC covers
2 heavy-duty Harken blocks to raise and lower mast
from boat in the water
sealed water-proof steam and deck lights on mast
(better than factory standard)
2 windex - one on top of mast and one on bow sprit
Lightning Disipator on top of mast
NAVIGATION: Richie Bulkhead Compass with Compensator
(not factory standard)
Garmin GPS 12
ELECTRONICS: Ray Marine 45 VHS Radio Waterproof
Multi-Data Horizon 150
Depth/Speed/Temperature Gauge
Ray Marine ST 1000 plus Auto Pilot
Aiwa Radio, DVD, Cassette
Player (functions with 12 volt)
55 Watts Siemens Solar Panel
mounted on stainless steel stern rail with direct
installation to 2 gel sealed
marine batteries with Amperes Meter Charge Gauge
Electric Horn Stainless Steel
Inverter 12 -110 350 watts
HARDWARE: 3 self tailing winches (Harken) with 3
clutches
Floating TITAN Double Handed Winch Handle
Harken Handle Winch (factory
standard)
Carbon Fiber Bow Sprit with
epoxy non-slip paint
Rigging Tensioner Tool
Folding 4-step stainless steel boarding ladder
EXTERIOR: New Bottom Paint
Sunrise Bow Nets and Wing Nets
Boom Wing Nets
Bimini Top with Polished
Stainless Steel Frame and Back Drop plus Dodger
Additions
Folding Captains Chair and
Cushions
Stainless Steel Barbeque
Mounted on Stern Rail
Lazy Jack System Controlled at
Mast
INTERIOR: All cushions remain in plastic
covering from factory
Microwave
Marine Head with Spare Kit for re-building
Holding Tank with Y-Valve
Extra Fresh Water Bladder (9
gallons) Factory Installed
Cabin Fan and Extra Reading
Light
Air Conditioner Portable
Adjustable Main Cabin Bed with
Cushions
Silent Electrical Water Pump in
Demand with Accumulator
Propane Water Heater
Additional Salt Water Pump in
Galley Sink
Fire Extinguisher
Aft-Cabin Window Shades
ANCHOR: Stainless Steel Delta 15 lb with
Stainless Steel Swivel and Stainless Steel 25'
Chain and 120' Anchor Line mouted on
Roller Anchor in Bow with Chain Tensioner.
2nd Anchor - 9 lb Delta with
25' chain and 100' of line (now you can sleep at
night)
Fenders, Docking Lines, etc.
I have a current survey on the above 2001 Corsair if anyone is interested its not on the market yet Im not a seller, dealer or have any financial interest in this boat just showing you all what you got in your Macs to prove a point that you all made some good choices on a decent boat ya all made better to fit your lifestyles & pursuits.
Been flamed all over the internet/mess boards for saying my opinion no sweat youre just getting spanked a little bit dude your posts are good, straight-up & informative dump the personal B s### as everyone should & it's alls good. Im sure J B Sloop will agree Ive been riding Cats for a long time just cant trailer them
""I too have watched the Corsair over the years grow into the almost 40 multihull
YY, not sure about a F40" Ian Farrier;Farrier Marine, Inc in production in the USA at this time; maybe NZ or AS I would like to see this boat...
Ian Farrier has some magical expensive boats 40' footer I have not seen please send link to this boat....
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Tony D-26X_SusieQ
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I'm going into my 4th season with "Susie-Q" and like every one else here I went out and bought a large box full of projects. I even went so far as to schedule when I was going to have everything installed. Alas! Everything is still in the box. The paradox here is when the weather is perfect for going to the marina to work on the boat, it is also perfect to go for a sail. Guess which always wins out? 
One day I will open that box and I might surprise myself with what necessities I have in there. 
One day I will open that box and I might surprise myself with what necessities I have in there.