Hawaii
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Bill at BOATS 4 SAIL
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richandlori
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Bill at BOATS 4 SAIL
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I was stationed at Schoffield Barracks (in the Army). IIRC, the sub base is separate from Pearl, but not by that far. However, I'm pretty certain that it was a secure facility, and bet it stays pretty locked up given the "new world" we live in since I was there...
So, he probably couldn't keep his personal sailboat there anyway...
The military has alot of really cool properties over there, so they probably have a military only marina, and I'd bet that would be real close to (if not part of) Pearl...
I don't have numbers on the wind, but hull, its in the middle of the Pacific and predictably, rather windy IIRC... So, (keeping in mind my EXTREMELY limited sailing experience) I'd recommend the jib...
By the way, from what I've read on on this board and my own experience, I'm thinking the perfect sail plan for a non-racing
is Main, Jib, and cruising Spin...
Hey Bill,
Can you get the cruising Spin in colors other than what the factory website shows? I want one, but I can't stand those colors...
So, he probably couldn't keep his personal sailboat there anyway...
The military has alot of really cool properties over there, so they probably have a military only marina, and I'd bet that would be real close to (if not part of) Pearl...
I don't have numbers on the wind, but hull, its in the middle of the Pacific and predictably, rather windy IIRC... So, (keeping in mind my EXTREMELY limited sailing experience) I'd recommend the jib...
By the way, from what I've read on on this board and my own experience, I'm thinking the perfect sail plan for a non-racing
is Main, Jib, and cruising Spin...Hey Bill,
Can you get the cruising Spin in colors other than what the factory website shows? I want one, but I can't stand those colors...
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Bill at BOATS 4 SAIL
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That's the same question that he asked me because his wife didn't like the spinaker colors.
The first or second year I was selling Mac's, in '92 or '93, a customer wanted a different color spinnaker. I told him he didn't need a different color. He bought his boat from a dealer that got him a different color.
I told this guy that he could get a different color.
Not from MacGregor, but elsewhere.
The first or second year I was selling Mac's, in '92 or '93, a customer wanted a different color spinnaker. I told him he didn't need a different color. He bought his boat from a dealer that got him a different color.
I told this guy that he could get a different color.
Not from MacGregor, but elsewhere.
Yeah,
I put in an email to Doyle, but haven't gotten a reply yet... Obviously, they are swamped about this time of year... Any other suggestions?
The price on your website sounds good to me, and I really don't want to get into the high $ options (I'll buy those sails just before my trip to Hawaii
, but I would love to have kite with a more appealing color scheme...
I put in an email to Doyle, but haven't gotten a reply yet... Obviously, they are swamped about this time of year... Any other suggestions?
The price on your website sounds good to me, and I really don't want to get into the high $ options (I'll buy those sails just before my trip to Hawaii
, but I would love to have kite with a more appealing color scheme...-
Jim Bunnell
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Bill-
There is a 26x owner stationed in Hawaii - http://home.hawaii.rr.com/whimzee26/. He has some information on his site that might help.
There is a 26x owner stationed in Hawaii - http://home.hawaii.rr.com/whimzee26/. He has some information on his site that might help.
Pearl Harbor
I was stationed in Pearl Harbor from 96-98. At that time the military had a marina that was inside the entrance to the harbor, but not all the way in where the ships and subs are. It was a tight fit but extremely well protected.
The Submarine Base in Pearl is just one side of the Navy base - the Subs have their own piers, but otherwise it's all one base.
I'm not sure what AT/FP (Anti-terrorism/Force Protection) may have changed since I was there, but when I was, the harbor was pretty open to civilian craft because of the Arizona Memorial - tourist cruise boats were in and out of there all the time. I would bet it is still fairly open, just the warning area around the ships and subs has gotten bigger and there are probably armed patrol boats always present.
As to wind - I didn't have time to do any sailing while I was there, but I did do a bit of scuba diving and I recall some pretty decent winds - jib is probably the right choice.
Any number of weather sites or almanacs would give good historical data on surface winds around the islands.
- AndyS
The Submarine Base in Pearl is just one side of the Navy base - the Subs have their own piers, but otherwise it's all one base.
I'm not sure what AT/FP (Anti-terrorism/Force Protection) may have changed since I was there, but when I was, the harbor was pretty open to civilian craft because of the Arizona Memorial - tourist cruise boats were in and out of there all the time. I would bet it is still fairly open, just the warning area around the ships and subs has gotten bigger and there are probably armed patrol boats always present.
As to wind - I didn't have time to do any sailing while I was there, but I did do a bit of scuba diving and I recall some pretty decent winds - jib is probably the right choice.
Any number of weather sites or almanacs would give good historical data on surface winds around the islands.
- AndyS
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bjtaksa
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I was in Hawaii about 2 months ago on a mission flying troops back and forth from the mainland. On a day off, I rented a Cat 22 at the Navy MWR Marina (Rainbow Bay Marina) in Pearl Harbor. There was an M slipped at the marina. Security wasn't as tight as I expected.
FWIW, everytime I've been in Hawaii (Oahu), there's been a minimum steady 10 knot breeze. Usually more. Never felt a calm day. Great sailing... but between the currents and the wind, caution advised.
FWIW, everytime I've been in Hawaii (Oahu), there's been a minimum steady 10 knot breeze. Usually more. Never felt a calm day. Great sailing... but between the currents and the wind, caution advised.
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Chip Hindes
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I was stationed on the windward side (Kaneohe) for 3 1/2 years in the early seventies. Bought a Hobie 14 and learned to sail off the beach at Kailua. Never sailed the Hobie on the leeward (Pearl Harbor) side though I did take two of those sunset dinner cruises; one was a pretty hairy ride, only time in my life I was ever seasick; the other was so calm they motored the whole time.
It's been a few years, but as I recall the winds are more consistent and higher speed in the winter, less so in the summer. The winds are consistently out of the north; the windward side has a several thousand mile fetch, while the mountains are steep and high and tend to block the wind on the leeward side. The Hobie likes higher winds, but winter storms tend to last for days at a time and there were some when only fools and surfers (sometimes I wondered the distinction) were on the water on the windward side.
I guess the jib and spinnaker would be a sensible combo, but if it were me and I could afford only one foresail, for the leeward side I might go for the genny (with RF) and spinnaker, and put the jib on the early purchase list. You can always reef the genny but the jib can't be made larger.
For that matter, the sail is no more expensive if you buy it separately, is it? The idea might be to skip the foresail on the new boat, and test out Roger's claim that the M doesn't really need one for a year. Does anyone actually believe this? Anyway, after a year, decide which foresail would be the better investment and buy it then.
If it's really important one way or the other, I'd take Andy's suggestion; there are bound to be about a bazillion places you could check the prevailing winds for Hawaii.
It's been a few years, but as I recall the winds are more consistent and higher speed in the winter, less so in the summer. The winds are consistently out of the north; the windward side has a several thousand mile fetch, while the mountains are steep and high and tend to block the wind on the leeward side. The Hobie likes higher winds, but winter storms tend to last for days at a time and there were some when only fools and surfers (sometimes I wondered the distinction) were on the water on the windward side.
I guess the jib and spinnaker would be a sensible combo, but if it were me and I could afford only one foresail, for the leeward side I might go for the genny (with RF) and spinnaker, and put the jib on the early purchase list. You can always reef the genny but the jib can't be made larger.
For that matter, the sail is no more expensive if you buy it separately, is it? The idea might be to skip the foresail on the new boat, and test out Roger's claim that the M doesn't really need one for a year. Does anyone actually believe this? Anyway, after a year, decide which foresail would be the better investment and buy it then.
If it's really important one way or the other, I'd take Andy's suggestion; there are bound to be about a bazillion places you could check the prevailing winds for Hawaii.
Main only on 26M
Regarding not buying a foresail at all:
I've sailed my 26M around quite a few times with the main only and it does in fact handle pretty well. I usually do it when I just feel lazy or I'm just dorking around with no real destination, so no timeline... But there have been a few times where, rather than reefing the main and partially furling the genny, I completely furled the genny and left the full main up - and to be honest, I am on the fence as to which is better. The genoa's shape is so awful when partially furled, that in certain situations - definitely when trying to beat to windward - I think you're better off with full main and no genoa.
The story would probably be different for me with a 100 jib, though - for me the driver is the poor shape of the partially furled genoa.
- AndyS
I've sailed my 26M around quite a few times with the main only and it does in fact handle pretty well. I usually do it when I just feel lazy or I'm just dorking around with no real destination, so no timeline... But there have been a few times where, rather than reefing the main and partially furling the genny, I completely furled the genny and left the full main up - and to be honest, I am on the fence as to which is better. The genoa's shape is so awful when partially furled, that in certain situations - definitely when trying to beat to windward - I think you're better off with full main and no genoa.
The story would probably be different for me with a 100 jib, though - for me the driver is the poor shape of the partially furled genoa.
- AndyS
I bought 2 boats from military people when they were leaving Hawaii. When they get shipped out everything goes on sale. I was there 12 years in the seventies until 83'.
I sailed with my jib but it got ripped so much the repair person said she would not work on it any more. There is a prevailing north wind which keeps things cool there. Small craft warnings are checked before going out.
The Rainbow Bay marina in Pearl has nice facilities and a great restaurant (crab special on Thursdays).
I also surfed a lot with my foolish friends.
Hawaii is a water place. I knew people who did not enjoy it. They only saw a small island they see in a few days. I saw snorkeling, surfing, sailing, sun, sand, swimming (there is a 7th S somewhere) and hiking to the many water falls.
I heard the Ala Wai Marina wait list is short now. Check this out. Everyone sails over to Waikiki and anchors. Beware, all those tall condo buildings have telescopes. It is a big past time to watch the boaters go skinny dipping.
I sailed with my jib but it got ripped so much the repair person said she would not work on it any more. There is a prevailing north wind which keeps things cool there. Small craft warnings are checked before going out.
The Rainbow Bay marina in Pearl has nice facilities and a great restaurant (crab special on Thursdays).
I also surfed a lot with my foolish friends.
Hawaii is a water place. I knew people who did not enjoy it. They only saw a small island they see in a few days. I saw snorkeling, surfing, sailing, sun, sand, swimming (there is a 7th S somewhere) and hiking to the many water falls.
I heard the Ala Wai Marina wait list is short now. Check this out. Everyone sails over to Waikiki and anchors. Beware, all those tall condo buildings have telescopes. It is a big past time to watch the boaters go skinny dipping.
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Gerald Gordon
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- Location: O'ahu, Hawai'i
Most all of this information about Hawai'i is correct. It's deep water. Trade winds 10-20 NE. It costs about $5.000.00 dollars to have my X shipped to O'ahu. I'm the second owner, but I saw the invoice. By the way, the restaurant at Rainbow Marina is closed. Pearl Harbor is very restrictive since 9/11 and the same with Iroquois. The State has been wanting to privatize its harbors. My X sits on the trailer in Haleiwa on the North Shore for $31.00 dollars a month--no electric-but, I can run an extension cord.