Charging batteries with shore power question

[Don T]

I refuse to change because of a lie. That's stupid.

I will change based on what is true and what can be proven. And I think the electric motor is superior to the internal combustion engine - it's just science and numbers, not politics. "Global Warming" is just politics - it's stupid. I believe in science, not politics.

So, If the accelerated effects caused by humans means that you will die prematurely and suffer the affect of your own stupidity, would it then be "true and proven?" If we do nothing and you are right then so be it. What if you are wrong, the cost of apathy and stubborn adherence to a belief in the face of facts could be catastrophic.

[BOAT]

I refuse to change because of a lie. That's stupid.

I will change based on what is true and what can be proven. And I think the electric motor is superior to the internal combustion engine - it's just science and numbers, not politics. "Global Warming" is just politics - it's stupid. I believe in science, not politics.

So, If the accelerated effects caused by humans means that you will die prematurely and suffer the affect of your own stupidity, would it then be "true and proven?" If we do nothing and you are right then so be it. What if you are wrong, the cost of apathy and stubborn adherence to a belief in the face of facts could be catastrophic.

See, people want me to change based on a lie - that's what irks me. Why are you alive anyways? (Philosophically thinking I mean) What is the point? I have no problem stopping the pollution that will kill people but the idea that i need to do a damn thing to stop the climate change is just a big plain LIE! Again - I refuse to change because of a LIE. People need to decide what it is they are even alive for. What is important - why do they think they have any meaning at all? Do you want humanity to go on? Is that it? Or do you want to save the animals? If catastrophic climate change is going to kill all life in the year 2100 instead of the year 2050 because we all stopped using fuel - what's the point? Is that why your alive? To give humanity another 50 years? Is that what it's all about? You have been fed a lie. Most people don't really know what they even believe so they adopt what they are told on television by Al Gore.

The reason Al Gore told you folks that all the coastal cities would be underwater in the year 2016 and that all life on planet earth would be in danger of death by 2020 is because that’s exactly what honest scientists were telling him in 1990 could happen in 2020. The scientists were merely telling him what the geological record clearly shows – that it happened before – it’s already happened and that it will happen again.

The science is these changes have occurred before.

What the HONEST scientist will tell you that Al Gore will not is that we do not really know when these changes are coming or how fast they will happen – we might have another 5000 years to go, 500 years, or it could be only 50 years away – all estimates are useless because the geological record shows these changes are sometimes slow, and sometimes fast – there is no way to predict it.

The liar Al Gore took it upon himself to tell you that all this is sure to happen in 50 years – he is a liar – he has no idea how long it will take – the TRUTH is that it COULD happen in 50 years, or it could take 1000 years. We just don’t know – but we can be very sure that it WILL HAPPEN. Al Gore only HOPED it would happen in 50 years so he could trick you and control you. He cares not about you.

Al Gore wants to use a catastrophe to control you. He is the LAST guy you want to be listening to about climate change unless you want all the wrong answers. His solutions to the issue of climate change will do NOTHING to prevent the death of most all life on the planet. His decree to end all use of fossil fuel by everyone except him and those in power is not going to slow down what is coming by even a decade. His solutions are only to benefit him in the here and now and do NOTHING for future generations of humans (who he could care less about). He is a liar and honest scientist know it but everyone is unwilling to admit such things as long as the grant money keeps flowing.

Don’t be a rube, a patsy, a pawn – do your own study – get the facts – climate change is REAL and it is coming – and it could be very very bad, or it might not – we really don’t know. That’s why the rich people are buying underground shelters in droves – they have resources to get honest facts – all you and I have is the television and if you believe that you’re an idiot. You KNOW it’s true, stop deceiving yourself.

As a thinking human being are you afraid of dying? Do you want to save humanity? Is it all about your grand kids? Or maybe your concern is not humans and all you care about are animals or trees? You need to search yourself – what is it that you think is so important? Why are trees so important if Mother Nature is going to destroy all of them and already has many times over? What is it your trying to accomplish? What IS important? Why? If it’s ‘natural’ for life to be destroyed every 20 thousand years why do you think we should fight it? Do you really KNOW what you believe in?

Use your mind and THINK for yourself – try it.

Stop listening to politicians and movie stars – what education do they have? If your sick you see a doctor – not a politician or a movie star. Get the REAL facts.

[kadet]

"Global Warming" is just politics - it's stupid. I believe in science, not politics.

I am sorry BOAT it is worse than that it is now a Religion which means if you disagree you are a heretic and this is what has stifled proper scientific research because funding is now only available to support the argument. Human pollution is bad, but research in alternative energy is good as fossil fuel is not a renewable resource and will run out eventually.

But please whatever the side the argument you are on don't feed me cr@p just look at the cholesterol and fat lies we have been sold for 50 years from scientists with vested interests with funding from the food and sugar industry.

They no longer use the term "Global Warming" cause the scientist that originally came up with that phrase predicted an ice age in the 1970s also the data from the past few years has not supported warming but a slight cooling, yes I know the argument is the Oceans are absorbing the CO2 and this effect won't last, but why have they only just started absorbing the CO2 now and not for the last 200 years? So the new term is "Man made Climate Change".

So are we heading for an ice age so Greenhouse Gases might be a good thing?
Why is warming such a bad thing anyway the earth has been way warmer than this in it's history?

Just think coral reefs off Sydney London and New York, Siberia and Canada's tundra and permafrost areas become fertile farm land. My house 5 kilometres inland becomes beach front property.

BTW the biggest Greenhouse gas contributor in our atmosphere is H2O not CO2 and the biggest determiner on our weather is the Sun. Are we humans having an effect most certainly, are we going to stop climate change not likely. So invest in research not to change it but manage it and live with it. There are more pressing reasons to preserve our resources than Climate Change but they don't have the "religious" following that Climate Change does so it is easier to convince the masses with Climate Change.

Unfortunately the thinkers and the sceptics like BOAT won't be converted by misleading inconsistent arguments and I won't be convinced by computer modeling (my area) when the variables are so vast and widely unknown.

2/3rds of our population needs to be removed for real sustainability to be achieved. The next global wars will be over food and water not territory or oil.

Sorry I am a fence sitter as none of the arguments presented so far meet the necessary scientific standard of proof and are just theories at this point. And what is the lesser of two evils cannot be determined without hard facts which may not have for decades.

[BOAT]

Yeah, I agree with everything you said. Totally 100% It's silly to obsess about the end of the world because of climate change especially if there is nothing that can be done and even more important - there is no way to know for sure it's actually going to happen! I totally agree.

As your cholesterol argument points out these guys are OFTEN WRONG and it was not too long ago they were telling us the sun rotated around earth, even MORE reasons to not let ourselves get caught up in any lies. I agree 100%.

That is why in the puny little experience we encounter here on earth for a short 90 years that we call LIFE it comes down to a simple question: What do you believe?

You life - does it have any purpose? What good is a legacy if everyone in the future is gonna be dead anyways? Why do you even exist? Is it all about enjoying yourself now and getting what you can before you go? Or is it trying to leave something behind for others? Are we trying to create good experiences so we can enjoy our good memories? What's the point if al the memories are gone in the future anyways? Why bother?

Don't you see how futile life is if all you have is what exists here on earth? It's a total waste. Your putting all your beans in a basket that isn't even going to exist!

Again - go READ, get educated - find out what the people said thousands of years ago - see what the scientist say today - put it all together. Find the wisdom that is timeless and you will be too.

[Don T]

Oh that's funny, in one breath you speak of cholesterol & fat crap that a bunch of scientists, funded by food corps, is a bad thing. In the next you tout the scientific climate change naysayers that are mostly funded by the oil industry. Naysayers are very much in the minority but they are better funded and very vocal. Get a grip, you are the one who wants to keep doing what he's doing and not be bothered. The kind of change you are resisting is good for everyone including yourself but change requires effort, screw that. Let the oil companies control your mind, keep feeding their profits and enjoy. You won't be alive or pay the price of your actions.

I know why I'm here on earth. To bad your vision of yourself is so powerless / worthless.

[kadet]

This forum is about sailing not Religion, Politics or other mumbo jumbo I think the moderators should now close this thread as it is getting personal and has no place here. I am here for Mac and Sailing or other related info nothing else. Go to your Green Forum for Climate Change or your Preper Forum for the other, neither view is welcome here for us agnostics and sailors

There is two sides to every argument, the argument is just not to be had here and I am sorry that I contributed to it

[grady]

I thought I was going to figure out how to charge my batteries!!!!!!

I agree on how far off the rails this has gotten! One last thing then I am dropping the mic.

We basically have 4 senarios that could happen. We have 2 paths and the earth has 2 that we realistically have no clue about. Our short snapshot in the timeframe of the earth is insignificant.

We affect climate change.....

We do nothin about it and it happens and we all die. Bad

We do everything we know to keep it from happening and it does not happen. Good

We do not affect climate change......

We do nothing about it and it does not happen. Good

We do everything we know to keep it from happening and it doesn't happen since we did not affect it anyway. Good

I a not a gambler or a bla bla bal whatever you call those people however I am smart enought to see

We do nothing and we have a 50% chance of survival.

We do our best and we have a 75% chance of survival.

Feel free to check the math, It was computed using Watson.

[Highlander]

With proper planning we need to convince the beer brewer,s & whisky distilleries to move to higher ground along with the farmers who grow our barley, wheat & grain,s so as we will have an endless supply of booze to continue with this Stupor Discerning Discussion !!
We,ll build this big wall around it to defend it ! contained inside this wall will be hamburger & pizza shop,s so as we will have an endless supply of Hot Dog,s , Burger,s , Pizza & Chicken Wing,s
The Immigrants working these shop,s will also double as it,s defender,s to protect there job,s & freedom !
In Canada we have the Tar-sands which contains 2/3rd,s of all the world,s oil reserves , 2/3rd,s of all the world,s Fresh Water . Enough Natural gas to last us 5,000yrs we have the great Prairie,s to grow our wheats & Grain,s & grow our beef & meat
We own 2/3rd,s of the world,s coast line to collect our fisherie,s
Don,t worry about our 2/3rd,s world over population DTP & PUTIN & a few other crazies r working on taking care of that ? for us all !

Afterwards we will build these massive navy dock,s around our 2/3rd,s of the worlds Coast Line so as our friends from the south will have somewhere to dock there Massive US Navy Fleet !

With all this crap thats going on with some of the Crazy People Running this World I think Global warming is the least of all our concerns right now or at least it should B ,
Everyone,s entitled to there opinion whether it,s right or wrong but not to enforce it on other,s !

So when I go sailing just give me lots of warning when the Tsunami,s R coming so as I can git my boat turned around to surf high water I wanna be first in line @ the brewer,s & distilleries

Just Saying Thats All

OK Time for a beer & chicken wing,s & while the wing,s r cookin anyone for a Scotch

J
Think this world would b a better place to live in if we had more sailor,s
Oh & I can,t charge my batts with shore power cause my generator,s fuel pump just crapped out, one,s on order hopefully next week ! , need to get my 3 solar panels installed !!!

[Jimmyt]

To the original question, I always charge my batteries independently using shore power chargers.

Scotch sounds really good about now...

[Highlander]

To the original question, I always charge my batteries independently using shore power chargers.

Scotch sounds really good about now...

Yep I,ll drink to that
I have a dual bank marine 6/6 amp charger installed in my boat under the aft dinette seat #1 goes to the start bat , #2 goes through a duel isolator which either charges both house batts or which ever one requires the most charge so it splits the 6amps either way

I also have a portable 6amp marine smart battery charger to charge up the #2 house bat independently if need as it is also my anchor winch batt & if the main charger should pack-up it act,s as a back-up

Also have 3 X 40 watt Solar panels as of yet to mount & hook up this spring I hope

Plus my 1000 invertor generator has a built in batt charger so I,ll pretty much have it all covered once the solar panels r installed

J

[BOAT]

I know why I'm here on earth. To bad your vision of yourself is so powerless / worthless.

No, guys, Don is right - he pegged it - it's true - my vision of myself is quite powerless in regards to the weather/climate/nature stuff - he is 100% correct and that is how I feel so I have no fault or think anything wrong of Don. He is 100% correct. We should be glad there are people like Don out there who believe they can fix the situation because you never know - they just might pull it off - anything is possible, right?

In the meantime - I would recommend looking at the wires from your charger to your battery. Not all chargers are equal. Some chargers are called "Dual Battery Chargers" - I have on and it comes with TWO positive cables and ONE negative cable. You connect one positive cable to one battery and the other one to the other battery - the negative is always shared of course within your entire system so that cable just needs to go to either negative terminal. The charger 'knows' which battery needs a charge first and charges them independently or together as needed and maintains them same way so you can leave the charger on for weeks if you want - it will stop charging the battery that is full. If your perko is isolating one from the other then they batteries will be isolated in the off position or the 1 or 2. In the all position the two positives should be crossed.

Here is a picture of the charger - I keep it in the same compartment with all the electronics and backbones and all the electronics:




All the electronics is isolated on its own fuse panel to protect it from the charger currents



I hope that helps - and I take no insult in Don's assessment of my philosophy - not only is his opinion valid he is also correct. We all have the right to our own personal beliefs. The alternative would be fascism and no one is in favor of that and my philosophy is that I recommend getting a dual battery charger.

[Highlander]

Hi Mark

U need to use 1/4 or 3/8" spacer,s or nuts behind ur mounting screws on ur charger so as to allow ventilation to b able to access the rear of ur charger for cooling otherwise she will eventually cook in a couple yrs
so u want a 1/4 or 3/8" gap between ur charger & the wall its mounted too

Thats if u have not done that already but I can,t tell from ur pic,s

J

[BOAT]

Hi Mark

U need to use 1/4 or 3/8" spacer,s or nuts behind ur mounting screws on ur charger so as to allow ventilation to b able to access the rear of ur charger for cooling otherwise she will eventually cook in a couple yrs
so u want a 1/4 or 3/8" gap between ur charger & the wall its mounted too

Thats if u have not done that already but I can,t tell from ur pic,s

J

Yeah - it does not show in the pic but there is a quarter inch gap molded into the device so that the mounting base is a standoff - the gap is on the top and the bottom - there is no airflow from left to right, only top to bottom. It's a 5 by 5 charger (5 amps to one battery and 5 amps to the other at any one time.) So the total at any one time possible is 10 amps - it's a pretty small unit. Most you guys are running 30 amp units that probably produce a lot of heat. I prefer a floor based mount unit with a fan in it (I have a 50 amp unit in my van - it's floor mounted base down with fans.). The van unit is charging some really big batteries. The boat batteries are not much. I don't use much 12 volt on the boat - I understand you guys are running solar and lots of goodies and that you cycle your batteries very often. I would probably need a bigger charger for that.

[Catigale]

Thanks for self moderating this back on track, everyone.