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Re: What beats it?

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sailboatmike wrote:Hows the racing going Grady, when my new suit of sails arrives I hope to do some racing to improve my skills and just to show them that these things do actually sail pretty well given the right point of sail.

What boats are you racing against?
Get out there and do it, it is fun. Win, lose, realy does not mater it is sailing.

Up until this year we had A and B fleets. Cutoff was around 180 PHRF. We had San Juan 30, Catalina 30, Person 30, 2 other D models. A couple of Catalina 25s. Plus some other large cruzers that generaly were not an issue. This year they took the slow boats out of the A fleet and moved them to the B fleet. Cutof is around 165 PHRF or so. Then took the slow boats in the B fleet and moved them to the C fleet. This year I am still with the San Juan, Catalina 30, Person 30, Other D models but we now have a J24 and a S2 7.9 plus a couple others.

Here is this years standing so far. Work has gotten in the way of some racing this spring so only have made it to 2 races.
Boats name is Laree, Bruce lee is the Person 30, Crazy horse is a D model.

http://www.regattanetwork.com/event/145 ... om+results

Here is last years fall series results. I was verry consistent with 2nds for some reason last fall?

http://www.regattanetwork.com/event/134 ... om+results
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Re: What beats it?

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Every winter and spring I have boat fever and shop around.

Then when I think of all the roles my X can play, I'm back to keeping it. 8)
Neo wrote:Recently I've been looking at selling a few things (including my Mac) and buying a bigger yacht (the Admiral says it's not big enough!). I keep my Mac on the driveway next to the house and see it through the window every day. It reminds me I need to get off my butt and go sailing (soon) and when I have the time (or I have a new idea) I just need to walk a few meters to work/play on the Mac. My garage, full of tools is also just a few meters away.
With any toy I've owned I like to think, fix, improve, design and build so I ask myself "Unless I buy another trailer-sailer why would buy a Gross Inconvenience" on the water 20mins to an hour away?.... Also, why would buy a boat that's 10 times more expensive to maintain than my Mac?
So until someone invents a telescopically expandable 36ft Trailer Sailer I guess I'm stuck with the Mac :| .... good thing too :wink:
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Re: What beats it?

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Okay, I'll bite. If the Fox Throwing the Acorn is in on this I will too:

First off, let me start by pi$$ing off half of the people here right off the bat:

1. If your using a slip, then your losing the purpose of the boat:

I have never understood people who buy a flimsy lightweight thin skinned boat like a MAC and then leave it in the water. If your going to leave the boat in a slip it's far cheaper to buy a bigger keel boat. I see a lot of those complaining about the size of the 26 are in a slip - well, yeah - I would feel lame in a 26 foot boat on a slip too: Now I'm trying to protect the bottom, I have hardware designed for the highway that I am trying to protect from salt air, I have old ballast water and stuff growing in my boat where I should have a lead keel, and with 22 thousand dollars I could have bought a pretty big keel boat used instead of a new tiny one.

Sorry to make you slip guys mad but that's just the way I see the whole slip community - it's a place that always has a lot of derelict old keel boats that are always sitting around waiting to be sold cheap. If I were going to sail to Hawaii the cheap way to do it is to buy an old Cat or Hunter in a slip for about 7 grand (slip included) sail the boat to Hawaii, sell it there for salvage (3000 bucks) and then fly home and rent out the slip or sell it out right at a profit (because slips are so hard to get over here). The whole project would cost me about 3 grand plus air fare. Some guys have done it for less. Slipping a boat that can be parked for free does not make sense to me.

As for all the obvious advantages of the Trailer Boats, there is one that is overlooked, particularly in regards to the M boat:

2. RESALE VALUE - I have a friend with a 38 foot Catalina in a slip - he pays 600 a month for a slip for a boat that is worth about 5000 dollars over here. Used sailboats are really cheap - the older they are the cheaper. When you buy a brand new keel boat it depreciates like 30% the first time you take it out. After 5 years most sailboats are not worth 50% of their price new. The X boat and the M boat in particular has an incredible resale value. People are getting near what they paid for the boats new.

You guys could list all the other stuff yourself. I think a more salient post would be to try to find all the DISADVANTAGES of the MAC. The main thing to consider is : "What have I given up to be in the MAC?" Most sailors would cite the long distance travel crossing oceans and so forth - but the people who have the TIME to do such things that are still young are usually pretty rich and they can afford anything they want. A MAC owner usually still has a job and a mortgage and has not the time to spend 6 weeks on the ocean anyway, so why bother paying for that feature?

I would ask any of you, what have you GIVEN UP going from a regular boat to a MAC? That's the real question, especially when you consider people that were so unwilling to give up having a slip they put their MAC in one! For some people, a slip is a non negotiable feature. What is it that YOU "must have" or "want" that you lost using a MAC? Room? Storage? Speed? Status? Ease of Launching? Distance limitations? Sailing Comfort? The list against the MAC can be very long indeed depending on the person. 2 cents to make your brain hurt and pi$$ you off.

In my opinion, I think the guys that have their MAC's in mast up storage right at the launch ramp are getting the better set up than a slip rental - that is probably the best situation to be in if you just hate the rigging set up. Only thing better would be a condo at the harbor or a house right down the street from the ramp so you can store mast up at home and tow to the ramp without rigging the boat. That would be really nice. The very very best set up I ever saw was the guy that has his own personal dock to the harbor in his back yard and he has a lift that keeps his MAC out of the water when he's not using it - add a boat house to that and you have the perfect set up - but if your that rich, why own a MAC?? It's all a conundrum. :? :? :?
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Re: What beats it?

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Boat, Boat Boat,

I think you are missing some of the point.

Some own Macs in slips because of the choices they give you, yes you could buy a keel boat and watch your $$$$$ fly out the window, the market has dropped through the floor for keel boats of late, a trailer sailor will alway be a TS even if it is in a slip as long as you dont do the unthinkable as some have done and sell the trailer, I think a TS without a trailer is worth less than a keeler, because then you just have all the TS compromise and none of the benefits.

So a TS lets you own a boat and not suffer the HUGE deprecation

Some peoples sailing area just doesnt have the water for a keel boat, I know if I had a keeler over 1/2 the bay I sail in would be off limits at anything less than 1/2 tide, some people love to stick their bows into all sorts of nooks and crannies that a keeler just cant go.

A keeler just cant cover the ground a Mac can under motor, so it opens up more cruising area

Yes mast up storage does make most sense to me, but everyone to their own and everyone has their own reasons
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sailboatmike wrote:Boat, Boat Boat,
I think you are missing some of the point.
So a TS lets you own a boat and not suffer the HUGE deprecation
Some peoples sailing area just doesnt have the water for a keel boat
Well, maybe half of that - I wrote a lot about how the MAC holds it's value - but I probably wrote too many words so most folks will not read it (too many words to read takes too long).

But, your comment about shallow water is definitely a deal breaker for a lot of people I forgot about - the shallow depth of the MAC does eliminate a lot of keel problems.
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Boat, one more thing I did not see in your post. Yes my mac is in a slip now. However it is not in the water when not in use. I have it on a lift. So the only thing is is exposed to is UV damage. Your boat in the driveway has the same issue. Before I had a slip my boat did not have UV damage it was inside when not in use. This luxury is not the norm on any boat.
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grady wrote:Boat, one more thing I did not see in your post. Yes my mac is in a slip now. However it is not in the water when not in use. I have it on a lift. So the only thing is is exposed to is UV damage. Your boat in the driveway has the same issue. Before I had a slip my boat did not have UV damage it was inside when not in use. This luxury is not the norm on any boat.
Well, yet another one that did not read all my post - obviously I am using too many words - people see all those words and they don't want to read it.

Yes, I had mentioned a great setup was a MAC at the dock on a lift and the very best was your own private dock with a boat house.

I really need to cut down on the length of the posts - no one reads them.
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Re: What beats it?

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It's not the words Boat, it's the writer. :)
BOAT wrote:
grady wrote:Boat, one more thing I did not see in your post. Yes my mac is in a slip now. However it is not in the water when not in use. I have it on a lift. So the only thing is is exposed to is UV damage. Your boat in the driveway has the same issue. Before I had a slip my boat did not have UV damage it was inside when not in use. This luxury is not the norm on any boat.
Well, yet another one that did not read all my post - obviously I am using too many words - people see all those words and they don't want to read it.

Yes, I had mentioned a great setup was a MAC at the dock on a lift and the very best was your own private dock with a boat house.

I really need to cut down on the length of the posts - no one reads them.
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Re: What beats it?

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It takes an hour all up but I love raising and lowering the mast ..... Am I a weirdo :D
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Neo wrote:It takes an hour all up but I love raising and lowering the mast ..... Am I a weirdo :D
Yes, yes you are...UNLESS you want to rig mine as well...:) The thrill usually wears off somewhere between the MRS and the boom....

As far as the discussion, the greatest thing about our Macs is that you can use them exactly the way you want to. I feel good about coastal sailing, even given the tides, current, and weather in Norfolk/Suffolk. I love creek crawling and seeing how far I can get when my depth sounder says "really????". I like taking the mast off and doing a day of river cruising (a lock and a pub...we have pubs with mooring every so often...VERY civilized). I like the idea that I can trailer down south to go up the Thames or around the Isle of Wight, or maybe even up to Scotland???? Now that I have some confidence, all of this is on the list.

Most of all, I love driving by the boat in the winter, tucked in safe, sound, and NOT costing me a dime.

IMHO, the best boat is the one your can afford and the one you use. Lots of very expensive British, Swedish, and French yachts sitting at the marinas, sucking up money and never moving.
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Neo wrote:It takes an hour all up but I love raising and lowering the mast ..... Am I a weirdo :D
In a word "YES" :D
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Plenty of French yachts around here now selling for about 1/5th of the new price 10 years ago.

Still some dreamers trying to sell normally through brokers who think the last 10 years has only depreciated their $500,000 yacht by 20%.

The only one thats winning out of that is the broker who sends them the bill every couple of months for advertising only knowing too well that the price he told the guy he will get for his boat was pure fantasy and designed to keep him on the hook for 6 months while the broker rakes in the revenue for advertising the boat.

Mean while if you look at the none broker listings you can pick up the same sort of boat less than 20% of the original price.

Nice 42ft Beneteau advertised here for less than $80,000. but he will still struggle to sell Im guessing, if you can actually find a slip it will cost you upward of $7500 per year and as we all know the slip cost is just the tip of the iceberg
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Baha wrote:Yes, yes you are...UNLESS you want to rig mine as well.
I'm game for that ... just send me an invite :D
Baha wrote:doing a day of river cruising (a lock and a pub...we have pubs with mooring every so often...VERY civilized). I like the idea that I can trailer down south to go up the Thames or around the Isle of Wight....
OMG I miss UK Pubs, the upper Thames river and the South of England :) .... Wish I was into sailing back then too. :(
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This is a really good point. Being able to single-hand, and being in a slip (I disagree with Boat on this) means I can go out any time I want and the weather is reasonably decent. :)

We have a lot of boats at my marina that MAY go out on a weekend IF two or more people are available, and quite a few boats that are essentially floating houseboats that never go anywhere - and there's a niche for them - it's cheaper than a lakeside condo. :wink:

And when the wind is too stong, I can head to the Yacht club and just chill. :P
Baha wrote:IMHO, the best boat is the one your can afford and the one you use. Lots of very expensive British, Swedish, and French yachts sitting at the marinas, sucking up money and never moving.
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Neo wrote:
Baha wrote:Yes, yes you are...UNLESS you want to rig mine as well.
I'm game for that ... just send me an invite :D
Baha wrote:doing a day of river cruising (a lock and a pub...we have pubs with mooring every so often...VERY civilized). I like the idea that I can trailer down south to go up the Thames or around the Isle of Wight....
OMG I miss UK Pubs, the upper Thames river and the South of England :) .... Wish I was into sailing back then too. :(

Yup... I am a lucky guy. All this, then I get to retire back to the States and (hopefully) live 30 mins from some salt water....
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