Good afternoon everyone....Need a little help. I don't know that much about them. Do you think a 50 Merc Bigfoot E.F.I. is better than a 60 Yamaha E.F.I.? I've had enough of my 9.9, manual start , no remote controls! I'm not sure however , if the 10 HP more is worth it. Thanks for any inputs.New Outboard
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Good afternoon everyone....Need a little help. I don't know that much about them. Do you think a 50 Merc Bigfoot E.F.I. is better than a 60 Yamaha E.F.I.? I've had enough of my 9.9, manual start , no remote controls! I'm not sure however , if the 10 HP more is worth it. Thanks for any inputs.-
richandlori
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Despite rumors to the contrary....
Bigger is always better!
Seriously,
I have a Honda 50 that came with me used 2004M, I like it, but I have been out enough now to know that if I could get 20% more HP, I would take it hands down. I can't help you with engine brand (others here can offer opinion), but I would certianly go for more power, if you don't need it so what....if you do, it will be TOO late. The last time I checked, the 10 extra HP doesn't add a tremendous cost when bought new.
Rich
Bigger is always better!
Seriously,
I have a Honda 50 that came with me used 2004M, I like it, but I have been out enough now to know that if I could get 20% more HP, I would take it hands down. I can't help you with engine brand (others here can offer opinion), but I would certianly go for more power, if you don't need it so what....if you do, it will be TOO late. The last time I checked, the 10 extra HP doesn't add a tremendous cost when bought new.
Rich
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Duane Dunn, Allegro
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I'm quite inpressed with the new Evinrude ETEC 60. Being a twin rather than a triple cylinder motor makes the power head really small. It's very quiet, particularly for a two stroke, and get good gas mileage. Even though it is a two stroke it meeds all the EPA requirments and even the tough upcoming California CARB requirements.
They have interesting stats that show it actually uses less oil per hour (provided you use their brand) than a four stroke does when you factor in the standard four stroke oil change schedule and volume.
Then if I had the money to burn I'd have the Tohatsu TLDI 90.
They have interesting stats that show it actually uses less oil per hour (provided you use their brand) than a four stroke does when you factor in the standard four stroke oil change schedule and volume.
Then if I had the money to burn I'd have the Tohatsu TLDI 90.
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Bobby T.-26X #4767
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i think you'll find (if you really shop around) that a Tohatsu 90 TLDI will not cost significantly more than the ETEC 60.
in November when i re-powered, the Tohatsu was $7200-installed.
at that time, the best price I could find on an ETEC 90 (of course it was a "just released" motor then) was $8800-installed.
i wanted the ETEC, but saved by going with the Tohatsu.
based on that assumption, a "best price" installed ETEC 60 may well be about $6500 today.
in November when i re-powered, the Tohatsu was $7200-installed.
at that time, the best price I could find on an ETEC 90 (of course it was a "just released" motor then) was $8800-installed.
i wanted the ETEC, but saved by going with the Tohatsu.
based on that assumption, a "best price" installed ETEC 60 may well be about $6500 today.
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richandlori
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For all practical purposes, the powerhead used in the Mercury BigFoot 40-60HP EFI and the Yamaha High-Thrust 50-60HP EFI, are the same 996cc engine. Mercury has been putting their SmartCraft EFI on it for several years, while Yamaha was selling it with carbs until this year. I suspect the Yamaha EFI is not the same. Another difference is the alternator charging output. The Mercury is rated at 18 amps on their website, and 20 amps in the factory service manual. The Yamaha is only rated at 10 amps on their website. With two or more batteries, the Mercury will have a significant advantage there.
As far as the difference between 50 and 60HP on these motors, the restriction is in the computer's software, at least on the Merc. The only part number I could find different between the 40, 50, and 60HP models was the computer, an almost $900 item. I suspect most of the additional power comes above 4,500 rpm or so, and that if you go with the 50 and stay below that rpm, you'll never know the difference.
We have a Merc 60HP BigFoot EFI on our Whaler and love it. Wish that's what was on our X. I've also seen one of the 50HP E-TECs in action and was pretty impressed. Quiet, no smoke, and only a trace of two-stroke oil smoke... nothing like the carbureted two strokes. And it has 25 amps of charging power.
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As far as the difference between 50 and 60HP on these motors, the restriction is in the computer's software, at least on the Merc. The only part number I could find different between the 40, 50, and 60HP models was the computer, an almost $900 item. I suspect most of the additional power comes above 4,500 rpm or so, and that if you go with the 50 and stay below that rpm, you'll never know the difference.
We have a Merc 60HP BigFoot EFI on our Whaler and love it. Wish that's what was on our X. I've also seen one of the 50HP E-TECs in action and was pretty impressed. Quiet, no smoke, and only a trace of two-stroke oil smoke... nothing like the carbureted two strokes. And it has 25 amps of charging power.
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Moe
I have the 60HP Merc BigFoot but now prefer the ETEC
I put a 60HP Merc Bigfoot on 'Loki'...with a 11 pitch prop.
The thrust is great but...when the motor was first put on the boat...
it had an electric problem right from the factory...then when that
was fixed, it immediately developed a fuel problem...easily fixed but
when my dealer went to fix the fuel line the PLASTIC quick disconnect on the motor broke in his hands! Took two weeks to get a new part from factory. Both dealer and I couldn't believe that Merc would put a plastic fitting where the connection would be stressed by trimming and coupling the fuel line on and off the motor.
Many of the boaters at my marina have stated that their next OB is going to be an ETEC...it has developed a fabulous reputation already, here in Minnesota.
The thrust is great but...when the motor was first put on the boat...
it had an electric problem right from the factory...then when that
was fixed, it immediately developed a fuel problem...easily fixed but
when my dealer went to fix the fuel line the PLASTIC quick disconnect on the motor broke in his hands! Took two weeks to get a new part from factory. Both dealer and I couldn't believe that Merc would put a plastic fitting where the connection would be stressed by trimming and coupling the fuel line on and off the motor.
Many of the boaters at my marina have stated that their next OB is going to be an ETEC...it has developed a fabulous reputation already, here in Minnesota.
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TampaMac
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I have a Merc 60 four-stroke. It is an absolute piece of blank.
It has never worked right. It is a 2002 model which has carbs.
It had an overheating problem which got worse and worse. Finally it was traced to a manufacturing defect. It was fixed but I still paid the tab regardless that it was under a lame warrenty.
It always ran poorly. And now I am awaiting a guy to rebuild the four carbs and etc at a cost of near one thousand dollars.
I wouldn't buy another mercury again unless it was to use as an anchor.
As far as the stats..... it is slow. My boat has never gone over 20 mph (not knots) until I took the mast down. I suspect as stated above the 40 to 60 hp motors are the same.
It has never worked right. It is a 2002 model which has carbs.
It had an overheating problem which got worse and worse. Finally it was traced to a manufacturing defect. It was fixed but I still paid the tab regardless that it was under a lame warrenty.
It always ran poorly. And now I am awaiting a guy to rebuild the four carbs and etc at a cost of near one thousand dollars.
I wouldn't buy another mercury again unless it was to use as an anchor.
As far as the stats..... it is slow. My boat has never gone over 20 mph (not knots) until I took the mast down. I suspect as stated above the 40 to 60 hp motors are the same.
I'm very happy with my ETEC. I really can't compare it with other motors, but it is quieter than I expected. I've even sat on the helm seat talking on my cell phone at about mid-power...
Can't go wrong with 25 amps dedicated to charging batteries. I believe you even get 15 at idle, which is 50% more than most engines max output...
Even with my 40hp, I can swing a 14" prop, which for these boats is a big deal... I'd be willing to bet that my 40 gives performance comparable to most 50s, because of the increased torque and that 14" prop...
The computer makes it idiot proof (won't let you hurt the engine) and even winterizes it for you...
Yes, the upfront costs are significantly higher. But, with no dealer maintenance for 3 years, no oil changes, no winterizing costs, I bet I'll recover a good bit of that difference...
Can't go wrong with 25 amps dedicated to charging batteries. I believe you even get 15 at idle, which is 50% more than most engines max output...
Even with my 40hp, I can swing a 14" prop, which for these boats is a big deal... I'd be willing to bet that my 40 gives performance comparable to most 50s, because of the increased torque and that 14" prop...
The computer makes it idiot proof (won't let you hurt the engine) and even winterizes it for you...
Yes, the upfront costs are significantly higher. But, with no dealer maintenance for 3 years, no oil changes, no winterizing costs, I bet I'll recover a good bit of that difference...
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mark,97x
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boat originally had honda 50 when repowered went to yamaha 50 f/s,good motor easyier to find svc shops and not quite as pricey as honda,but would probably go to high thrust model if had to do again,,,my sister has a merc 60 bigfoot 2/s and it has been nothing but a dog,we are satisfied with the 50 and rarely ever motor at wot,the boss demands the slower speeds 
