Rub Rail restore or replace?

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OverEasy
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Re: Rub Rail restore or replace?

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Hi Kenfyoozed!

Nooooo, not both :o or all thogethre :o :| :? :D
Alternatives to each other.

Nylock nuts are nice for dry assemblies but don’t work well with Teflon thread lube (to avoid galling).
Regular plain nuts and lock washes will work with Teflon thread lube as there is a mechanical bite by the split-lock washer into the nut and washer to resist Self loosening.
Regular nuts with Locktite Blue 242 will resist self-loosening and seems to help resist thread galling at assembly & disassembly based on my experiences.

For just a suggestion, what I’ve done is have the Locktite bottle with a piece of tubing with ID slightly larger than thread size to slip over end of thread to place the compound on the thread ( mind you I typically don’t run down 2 inches of thread to tighten things up in which case I’d add more compound over a longer length of thread to ensure there is some by the time the nut places the thread in tension).

After scoring the residual exposed thread with a pince plier a piece of slightly larger ID diameter thick wall tubing that can fit over the exposed thread might help with working the thread back and forth to snap off the excess portion.

If you can leave them in place then that is what I’d do. Why bother if it doesn’t matter.
If it’s a visual thing the maybe slip a bit of trim on to hide them?

Just a possible handy hint:
In tight spaces where it can work I’ve seen a piece of soft tubing used as a ‘carrier’ to put lock washers and nuts on exposed threads.
Insert the nut then insert the lock washer then slip the tube over the exposed thread to get things started and run down finger tight.
Then pull the tubing off and tighten the nut with appropriate socket.

Best Regards
Over Easy 😎😎🐩🐈
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Re: Rub Rail restore or replace?

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This is how tight of a working space I have. This is a nut for the 1/4" machine screw, so I have about 1/2" to work through in some places. This has raised another kink to starting the project. I think I will have to drill larger holes through the liner with a hole saw and then plug them with the liner plugs from BWY.
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I was able to countersink some 1/4" flat head machine screws on the deck over lap. This could work allowing me to run the rail over the screws. Running the rail over the screws does not allow for re tightening in the future without removing the rail.
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1/4" machine screws countersink, one pulled overnight making the rail bulge. I tried #10 machine screws and was able to snap them as well. So 1/4" will be what I go with if I through bolt.
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Again the biggest hurdle now is working out a plan on how to install this. The lack of working room is a bigger issue now. I think the rail will need to be dry fitted. The mounting hole drilled through the rail, deck cap, hull and deck liner. Drilling through the interior deck liner will give me a center hole to use as a guide for the hole saw to cut access holes to the nuts. I can then plug the access holes with the liner plugs from BWY. It should match well....
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Re: Rub Rail restore or replace?

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Hi Kenfyoozed!

I gotta admire your determination!👍👍

Keep the faith!

Best Regards
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Re: Rub Rail restore or replace?

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opie wrote: Mon Apr 11, 2022 5:44 am Imho, use Liquid Nails LN-901 HD 11-oz from Lowes. $3.28.
I posted here about it years ago for my X's rub rail.
The rub rail is stretched on warm and contracts tightly when cooled. You hardly need the adhesive at all. The waterproofing is inherent in the deck-to-hull screwed joint and the rub rail's purpose is only to stave off offending boats and docks. You don't need the permanent bonding that 5200 provides and imho don't want it either.
Opie
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This is helpful! I look forward to following your advice over then next couple of weeks.
Do I recall correctly that you used Liquid Nails in 2011? Has it endured well for 11 years?
Jack
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Re: Rub Rail restore or replace?

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Pjack wrote: Sun Apr 28, 2024 2:27 pm
opie wrote: Mon Apr 11, 2022 5:44 am Imho, use Liquid Nails LN-901 HD 11-oz from Lowes. $3.28.
I posted here about it years ago for my X's rub rail.
The rub rail is stretched on warm and contracts tightly when cooled. You hardly need the adhesive at all. The waterproofing is inherent in the deck-to-hull screwed joint and the rub rail's purpose is only to stave off offending boats and docks. You don't need the permanent bonding that 5200 provides and imho don't want it either.
Opie
(curmudgeon-at-large)
This is helpful! I look forward to following your advice over then next couple of weeks.
Do I recall correctly that you used Liquid Nails in 2011? Has it endured well for 11 years?
Jack
Pjack,

Opie’s last post was almost five months ago. If you wish him to see your question, I recommend mend sending an e-mail. If you send a PM, he may not see it, or your post, until he is online with this forum again.
Ray ~~_/)~~
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