Need a PHRF number for a 26X.

[jon2710]

Our marina is starting a new yacht club and is requiring a PHRF number for handicapping. Is there a number for a 2000 26X? Any help would be greatly appreciated.

[waternwaves]

you pretty much have to describe size and type and material of every affecting element.......

ballast/mods
sails, chutes,
extra weight carried etc...


before a number can be given by most handicappers....... and even then they will laugh at us.....

[kziadie]

US Sailing has a portsmouth DPN for the X of 99.5. Using the conversion formula of (DPN x 6)-330 you get a BASE PHRF of 267. From there the handicappers will adjust based on your specific equipment as waternwaves alluded to... the process is subjective and varies from place to place. Hope this helps.

Kelly

[Frank C]

Welcome aboard, Jon ... racers are in the minority, here, but there are several members actively racing their boats. There's no simple or single answer to your question, but it's been discussed many times before.

Search on PHRF to find sixty earlier threads. At least a dozen of those threads have titles including that acronym, or Portsmouth, or racing. Lots of reading available.

[Graham Carr]

I am not sure when this information was published, but Practical Sailor reports (under their boat reviews) the following;
The boat displaces 3,750 lbs. with full tanks; the sail area/displacement ratio (SA/D) is 19 and the displacement/length ratio (D/L) is 138, which indicate the potential for speed.
They also stated “A Puget Sound sailor, who said he usually sails the boat under shortened sail, records speeds of 8 knots on a broad reach with the genoa. I also like the fact that the bigger motor allows me to fight the heavy current we experience in the Northwest, he said: The PHRF handicap is between 240 and 250.”
I have no clue who they interviewed.

Graham

[kziadie]

That 240 to 250 number sounds about right considering the base is 267. Very rarely are PHRF numbers adjusted upwards, most often they go downwards. If you have a spinnaker/gennaker it will probably go even lower.

Kelly

[baldbaby2000]

I've raced on Granby and Chatfield and have been assigned numbers as I recall ranging from 234 to 240 and it somewhat depends on headsail size. I think the numbers are a bit low myself. I know an X sailor (Terry on Night Sessions) that used to sail on Chatfield and I think he had a number over 300! What lake do you sail on?

[Catigale]

I know ive seen as high as 360 for an and even 400 for the blue (I made that last number up... )

[kziadie]

The following link takes you to the body who I believe if responsible for assigning PHRF ratings for your area:

http://www.rmsail.org/phrf.htm

As I mentioned in a previous post, the handicapping process is subjective and applied differently by different bodies responsible for different regions. The key is that if this body handicaps all boats in your area using the same criteria then you should get a fair shake, but if you took your boat to another area which handicaps differently your rating is probably not going to be realistic.

Kelly

[bscott]

Bald Baby--I was the Commodore of the Lake Granby YC for two terms several years ago and you will never get a fair PHRF as the old timers in that club are die hard Catalina 25 sailors and give themselves too high a rating. They do not report their race finding to the PHRF---if they did, their ratings would probably drop 10-15 pts. One of their advantages is the tall rig fin keel that can find those light winds 30' above the water and their absolute knowledge of wind currents along the shore and the location of the big holes in the middle of the lake.

I'm planning on getting back on Granby next year and I'll look you up.

Bob

[jon2710]

To all those of you that responded to my request to get a PHRF # for the X, I thank you all. Think I'll go with the the 267 base and argue for it not to fall too far. All of your input is very, very much appreciated.

BaldBaby - We're slipped at the south marina at Pueblo. Come see us.

I wish you all fair winds and clear nights! Again, my thanks.

[Tony D-26X_SusieQ]

I know ive seen as high as 360 for an and even 400 for the blue (I made that last number up... )

Due to the greater speed shouldn't the number be 200 for a blue hull?

[kziadie]

Nah... there was just an extra zero in the misprint, it is really 40

Kelly

[Catigale]

Whenever Ive raced a blue Ive never stuck around long enough at the finish to get the right number...had to be back at work ....

[baldbaby2000]

Bald Baby--I was the Commodore of the Lake Granby YC for two terms several years ago and you will never get a fair PHRF as the old timers in that club are die hard Catalina 25 sailors and give themselves too high a rating.

Interesting. It does definitely seem to be a Catalina 25 dominated race. Fortunately there are other boats and we're just in it for fun. We don't make all the races so we're not competitive in the series. We're probably race a little this year.