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Re: Water Lilly Revival
Posted: Thu Jun 03, 2021 11:21 am
by Massey
So, the status update is this...
Water Lilly is now parked in my community storage lot. I hope she is waterproof from the outside, but I won’t know till it rains again. I have the rear bulkhead on my bench getting stained and finished so it looks pretty and will be sealed up so it doesn’t get water rotted again.
One thing I noticed with this bulkhead, which I made based on the original unit... when installed my hatch once again didn’t fit as tight as before. I’m going to look into this a bit more, to see exactly what is flexed and if I need to fabricate a new bulkhead based on the boat’s natural shape instead of the shape of the old bulkhead. This will be looked at more.
When I picked up Water Lilly from the previous owner, the tires on the trailer looked good. This is no longer the case. I’m guessing the stress from the ride home caused the sidewalls to show their age and crack severely. So no taking Water Lilly anywhere till those are fixed. That’s coming up soon.
Next on the purchase list is a new keel winch. Mine is not happy, as described in a post above. I still have had no luck getting the cable free, and since the price isn’t too bad, I’m just going to replace it, and the cable.
Well that’s it for now, I should have pics of the progress on the hatch covers, and bulkhead here soon.
Re: Water Lilly Revival
Posted: Sat Jun 05, 2021 8:41 pm
by Massey
Ok, so a little progress but not much. I found the sand paper I bought sucks. Not gonna name names but it’s red and the company who makes it, makes really good saw blades. So the sand paper wears out way too fast. I got the bulkhead fit properly, I think I mentioned that already, and the first coat of stain is on. I just need to sand it down for another coat. I have all 5 hatch covers coated on one side only right now. The weather went to hull so no more work on that this weekend.
I got my new bow light, I will work on installing that here soon, prolly tomorrow.
Bought new rims and tires for the trailer… New shoes! YAY!! The boat is now safe to transport!
I made a fuel line for the engine, got a fuel tank and maybe tomorrow (weather pending) I will try to give the engine a run in a garbage can. Hopefully the transmission and water pump will all be good. Oh… carb too! The new cowl for the engine also showed up the other day. So my Evenrude engine sports a Johnson hat now!
I think that’s about it… oh wait… I ordered the new decals for her name and numbers. As I was removing the old numbers I found she used to have different numbers. They are still visible through the oxidized WN 7881 GB. Not sure if I can find any history with that number, I tried the DOL website and no luck. I know the boats’s history back to 2001, because of documents found in the boat.
Ok, now that’s it. Till next time.
Re: Water Lilly Revival
Posted: Sun Jun 06, 2021 6:28 am
by Russ
Those wheels looked pretty old. Glad you replaced them.
Re: Water Lilly Revival
Posted: Sun Jun 06, 2021 8:59 pm
by Massey
Here soon, I would like to paint the interior ceilings. I already know I need to sand off the peeling coating, and I don’t think it’s gel oat, it looks more like a quality paint that just didn’t suffer the lack of care. What’s a good paint to use, it will be painted onto bare glass with a brush or roller.
Not much done today, the weather was pi$$ on us all day. I did a quick brake job in a barn, and that was about the extent of my day.
Re: Water Lilly Revival
Posted: Mon Jun 07, 2021 5:59 am
by Russ
The current paint peeling is likely from lack of prep.
Re: Water Lilly Revival
Posted: Mon Jun 07, 2021 6:59 am
by Massey
Russ wrote: ↑Mon Jun 07, 2021 5:59 am
The current paint peeling is likely from lack of prep.
It’s 40+ year old factory paint…. There is nothing but raw glass underneath.
Re: Water Lilly Revival
Posted: Mon Jun 07, 2021 9:19 pm
by Massey
Re: Water Lilly Revival
Posted: Tue Jun 08, 2021 4:09 am
by Jimmyt
Did you check this thread? I think it's the most recent interior paint thread.
viewtopic.php?f=8&t=28050
Re: Water Lilly Revival
Posted: Thu Jun 10, 2021 1:15 pm
by Inquisitor
Massey wrote: ↑Mon May 24, 2021 3:36 pm
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Anyway I will be sailing in the Puget Sound (Washington for those who don’t know) and I would like a good GPS for the boat that isn’t just a simple hand held unit. I don’t care about a fish finder or the sonar bs that seems to be the only feature most of the units I try to research online seem to care about. I want a 4 to 6” screen and Nav charts not street charts. Anyone have any ideas of where I can look? Thanks!
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Basically OpenCPN is free as most people already have most of the hardware required. See this thread:
viewtopic.php?f=7&t=28266
I use a PC for planning in the house or boat and use a phone for while rambling around the boat. I alwo use a 9" Android tablet mounted at the helm which is both far smaller volume wise, yet far larger screen than most dedicated units. Charts are free in the US and are updated routinely by NOAA. I also understand it will integrate other sensors on the boat as well as Internet data like weather and currents if you so desire. I haven't done that kind of stuff yet.
Re: Water Lilly Revival
Posted: Sun Jun 13, 2021 6:21 pm
by Massey
So the weather has not been pretty, so I have not been able to get any real work done on Lilly. But I have been collecting stuff for the next nice day.
I got her lettering and bow numbers, a new bow light, as well as a lens for the old light just in case. I also just picked up some LED interior lights. So plenty of work to be had.
Also I have asked this before, no one has answered, and I know someone has to know. What group size battery does this boat take? A group 24 marine is the smallest deep cycle that was available when the boat was new, but it doesn’t look to me like it would fit under the galley seat where the wiring is.
Re: Water Lilly Revival
Posted: Mon Jun 14, 2021 7:41 am
by Be Free
If it is a dedicated start battery or a combination/hybrid type begin with the minimum MCA or CCA rating required by your engine. Bigger does not hurt (except in the wallet).
If it is a dedicated house battery calculate your Amp Hour needs and size your battery accordingly. True deep cycle batteries don't have a lot of in the way of CCA or MCA as a rule and generally don't even list a value for either. Be careful about the labeling on the battery. I've noticed some "deep cycle" batteries listing a 100 hour rate instead of the standard 20 hour rate to make themselves look better.
The group designation is a shorthand for the physical dimensions of the battery. It does not directly relate to the capacity other than the fact that larger batteries usually have more of whatever you are looking for. You can use any group size battery you like as long as it fits your box and otherwise meets your electrical requirements.
Don't forget to look at the weight of the battery. I try to stay under 70 pounds per battery just so I don't have to work so hard when I change them.
Re: Water Lilly Revival
Posted: Mon Jun 14, 2021 10:22 am
by Jimmyt
I believe he is asking what group size will fit in the allotted space. Capacity doesn't seem to be his issue.
Surely someone has a Mac 25 with the battery in that location...

Re: Water Lilly Revival
Posted: Mon Jun 14, 2021 1:13 pm
by Inquisitor
Massey wrote: ↑Sun Jun 13, 2021 6:21 pm
Also I have asked this before, no one has answered, and I know someone has to know. What group size battery does this boat take? A group 24 marine is the smallest deep cycle that was available when the boat was new, but it doesn’t look to me like it would fit under the galley seat where the wiring is.
I can't help you... I tried looking it up in the Resources, but the Mac 25 stuff is only pictures of the manual. It's not searchable. Maybe you'd be willing to search it the ole fashion way...
https://macgregorsailors.com/resources.html
Re: Water Lilly Revival
Posted: Mon Jun 14, 2021 3:30 pm
by Massey
Well my post just up and disappeared…
So basically I said after 30 years of auto mechanic work, and 15 behind a parts counter I am well versed in what’s what with a battery, marine or otherwise. The only thing I have found in my paperwork, or other resources for my boat is where the battery goes, which is under the forward seat in the galley. That’s great, I have a stainless strap there that looks like it could fit a group 24, but the height I have doesn’t look like it could. And of course, I do not own a group 24 battery to check.
Re: Water Lilly Revival
Posted: Mon Jun 14, 2021 3:46 pm
by Inquisitor
Massey wrote: ↑Mon Jun 14, 2021 3:30 pm
Well my post just up and disappeared…
So basically I said after 30 years of auto mechanic work, and 15 behind a parts counter I am well versed in what’s what with a battery, marine or otherwise. The only thing I have found in my paperwork, or other resources for my boat is where the battery goes, which is under the forward seat in the galley. That’s great, I have a stainless strap there that looks like it could fit a group 24, but the height I have doesn’t look like it could. And of course, I do not own a group 24 battery to check.
Google wrote:
The Group 24 battery typically measures about 11 inches long, by 6.875 inches wide, by 9.5 inches tall, while the OPTIMA D34M BLUETOP (and the 34M BLUETOP) measures about 10.06 inches long, by 6.88 inches wide by 7.94 inches tall.