Racing Option 3

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Should the spinnaker be restricted to the cruising assymetrical only?

Poll ended at Sun Jun 21, 2009 1:25 am

Yes
5
71%
No
1
14%
Don't care.
1
14%
 
Total votes: 7

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brianhar
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Racing Option 3

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Well,
we're still not getting very desicive results here. Maybe better this time.

This time is in regards to the spinnaker. Should we stick to using the cruising assymetrical spinnaker only?

I can think of many points for and against, however I'll put two easy one's forward.
:!: An assymetrical is a much easier spinnaker to handle and set than a conventional double luff.
:!: The cruising spinnaker is small in size, making it easy to handle in all wind conditions.

Let's get some voting going eh!

Brian
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I voted yes 'cos I fly an asymetric kite.

Does it make a difference if it's a Ray Brown, Aus made sail?

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Lease
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I voted no because the issue is racing. I can think of nothing more ridiculous than a gaggle of Macs gybing their way down the course at 4 knots. I put a square kite on Mac Mac because it oprovides more options off the wind.

As I don't have the cruising kite, I would be interested in knowing how the thing is gybed. Is it set behind the forestay, or something?
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Clemo,
my kite was also made by Ray Brown over in Adelaide. Good quality materials and sets real well 8) Naturally enough its blue with a bit of white in the middle to match the fast blue hull.

Lease,
when it comes to sailing down wind, I can keep up with much faster boats and do pretty good in a wider range of angles. The interesting one is when running square to the wind, where in light airs the admiral uses the boat hook as a whisker pole and we run gull wing.
After having many classes of boats over the years and now using assymetricals on our trailable and skiff the admiral now refuses to go near a boat that needs a pole set.

As for gybing, the luff of the kite is outside the forestay and is gybed the same as you would if you were gybing with a headsail. The main difference is that the gybe is done slower, float the kite forward a bit, wait for the kite to collapse, then pull kite around to the other side. The only time it gets messy is if the admiral gybes a bit quick and the kite starts powering up before its all transferred to the new side. It's pretty easy really.

To keep it easy I also have the kite halyard exiting the mast 400mm above the forestay attachment point. This gives a bit of seperation between the kite and jib to help reduce the chance of wrapping one around the other. It's also not so high that I'm worried that the kite will damage the mast (no backstay to support the forward pulling effort).

Correct me if I'm wrong, but I'm taking a guess that when the :macx: made its way to Australia there was no option for an assymetrical. If that's the case, we made need to change the racing options to something like:

:macx: to use Double luff traditional kites only (size would then need to be discussed), and
:macm: to use the cruising assymetrical kites only

I'm open to differnent options.

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Re: Racing Option 3

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Brian, with very little experience, I can't comment on what was available when Xs were inported. Mine is an '03 model and she is heavily modified by the P.Os. and myself. Our back stay is adjustable, are'nt they all??

I would observe that imports to Oz seem to be well fitted out, compared to their domestic (U.S.) cousins. e.g. I think that the importers tend towards headsail furlers as a sort of entry level standard. So it is thus unlikely that anyone here will turn up, say, without a jib. Even though the working jib is, technically, an optional extra in the US.

Re the kite: Our halyard exits well above the hounds and we presently tack it via the pull pit. So we gybe by letting her out as far as she will go and then pull her in when we are through the wind. Just like a head sail.

Can I ask, how long is your boat-hook, and do you fix the butt-end to the mast when you are goose winging?

We have never sailed our Mac in competition, but we are planning our debut for the Heaven Can Wait, L. Macquarie in October. (& the truth is, we don't care how we go, just sailing in company will be fun enough.)

The common piece of apparel among my family is a Parramatta jersey. Which explains our Blue & Gold kite.

Keep up the good work. Are we any nearer the phone hook up/meeting?

Tks
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Re: Racing Option 3

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Clemo,
no idea in regards to the backstay, as I have never had the pleasure of being on board an :macx: to date. My memory is telling me that in some other threads something about the 'norm' being fixed. But if it was mine I'd being changing it to variable real quick, as I can realise the benefit immediately. :)

In regards to using the boat hook as a whisker pole, we just hold it in place by standing next to the mast and fully extend our boat pole to do the job (about 3m in total length). Change arms as necessary for blood flow. I have thought about making the arrangement for a more dedicated whisker pole, but that's as far as the idea has got at this point.

In regards to the teleconference, I'm keen to complete all the racing options polls before having the meeting. Then the interesting part about figuring out a date will pop up. I'm inclinded to wait until the next lot of school holidays are over and done with to try and maximise our possible numbers to dial in. :wink:

We were thinking about the heaven can wait event, however it's too close to the dates for a Murray River Cruise we're doing in September and the boss won't let me take the time off work. :(

Once apon a time, in a galaxy far far away, I played a few matches for the Parramatta under 18's, but that was a long time ago. I'm more aligned to a red white and blue team nowadays. :D

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Re: Racing Option 3

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Clemo wrote:I would observe that imports to Oz seem to be well fitted out, compared to their domestic (U.S.) cousins. e.g. I think that the importers tend towards headsail furlers as a sort of entry level standard. So it is thus unlikely that anyone here will turn up, say, without a jib. Even though the working jib is, technically, an optional extra in the US.
I believe that Phil King tried to sell boats that had many of the essential extras as standard. It suprised me when I see the list of options that the US sailers see as vital. Most of these came as standard on my boat (things like handles on the sliding cabinroof, bimini, cover for the bimini). I realise that you pay for all these options, but some are just plain common sense.
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