Saw the mock-up of this at the Southampton Boat Show. (in the UK in the last few weeks)
Looked interesting. But was not finished yet.
Clearly aimed at the Trailer, but Sail anywhere(ish) brigade rather than the a relatively lighter weather Mac.
I thought the forum might be interested
http://www.tide28.com
(No connection to the company)
A new Alternative to Mac 26x/m/Odin/Mast28 ?
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MarkStanton
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TampaMac
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19 inch draft? Too much! And $60,000.00? Maybe worth it but a lot of dough for only a little more boat.
Everything else is cool.
Now if Roger would kick up the size level a bit... Mac 30?
Or how about a low priced cruising catamaran.
Here is one I think is pretty cool, of course low priced is 120K
http://www.tomcatboats.com
Has 16-18 inches of draft and sails fast, only goes 9 knots under power though and is not for a trailer.
Everything else is cool.
Now if Roger would kick up the size level a bit... Mac 30?
Or how about a low priced cruising catamaran.
Here is one I think is pretty cool, of course low priced is 120K
http://www.tomcatboats.com
Has 16-18 inches of draft and sails fast, only goes 9 knots under power though and is not for a trailer.
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Dimitri-2000X-Tampa
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I don't understand what makes that boat have an "off-shore" (B) rating. The rigging certainly does not look much more substantial than a Mac (although that may be hard to tell from that picture). There are no interior pictures so I wonder if it has interior bulkheads for extra stiffness..or perhaps just thicker fiberglass? I guess it is about 50% heavier than a 26X...no towing that sucker with my minivan.
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Duane Dunn, Allegro
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Here's another to contemplate. This was originally a small sailing cat that they modified to make a motor cat out of. Add the mast and rudder back and you could have a neat hybrid. Twin 50 hp motors for power, yet a sailing ability as well. Beachable with the cool front ramp, nice interior, and it's trailerable (with a permit) due to it's 9'6" beam.
http://www.motorcat.com/index.html
It's being made in Poland, I wonder if it's the same factory that makes the Mast/Odin 28
http://www.motorcat.com/index.html
It's being made in Poland, I wonder if it's the same factory that makes the Mast/Odin 28
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Mark Prouty
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Get your Mast 28 here:
http://www.powersailing.com/newmast28.html
I wonder why it has an offset helm.
http://www.powersailing.com/newmast28.html
I wonder why it has an offset helm.
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Jeff Ritsema
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Mark,
The Mast doesn't really have an offset helm. I own one. The helm differs in that you cannot walk around both sides of the helm thru the cockpit. It has a bridge between the pedestal and the the starboard lazarette which is a little different than previous boats I've owned, but found it to be acceptable. The advantage of this is easy accessability to the engine controls, electronic cabling, etc. The Mast does have a nice offset to port stern gate that allows good walk thru accessibility. But, then, this is a Mac site- porbably shouldn't be taking space in your site talking about the Mast, huh?
Jeff
The Mast doesn't really have an offset helm. I own one. The helm differs in that you cannot walk around both sides of the helm thru the cockpit. It has a bridge between the pedestal and the the starboard lazarette which is a little different than previous boats I've owned, but found it to be acceptable. The advantage of this is easy accessability to the engine controls, electronic cabling, etc. The Mast does have a nice offset to port stern gate that allows good walk thru accessibility. But, then, this is a Mac site- porbably shouldn't be taking space in your site talking about the Mast, huh?
Jeff
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Mark Prouty
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Frank C
TampaMac,TampaMac wrote: . . . $60,000.00? Maybe worth it but a lot of dough for only a little more boat.
. . . Or how about a low priced cruising catamaran. . . . low priced is 120K
http://www.tomcatboats.com
For anybody considering $60k and up, one trailerable and the other not, see here for the Gemini or Telstar.
I could not get to Annapolis in time for the boat show last week, but I did make it to multi-hull demo on the following Wednesday. The Tomcat 9.7 sat next to its main competitor, the Gemini, which is a notably more mature design @ hull #800 (photos of the Tomcat still speak of testing on hull #2). Much better finished and including a standard fully enclosed cabin, hot water shower and 27hp diesel, Gemini is priced at $140k, or about $160k with every option including a 200% screecher and air conditioning. You can price it yourself at their website. OTOH, you may not want a fully enclosed cabin in Tampa!
Since I haven't yet abandoned the idea of trailering, the Telstar $60k remains my personal target vessel. They've only built 7 prototypes, but I think their first 35 production hulls are now on customer order.
FWIW!
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TampaMac
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Yeah, I almost flew up there just to see the Tomcat. Thanks for the report!
The other cats will be here at the St. Petersburg show but not the Tomcat. Too bad the quality isn't that great. Maybe it will improve after a few years.
The Gemini is only 14 feet wide. The Tomcat is 2 feet wider at 16 feet. It also drafts only 16 inches vs. 18 inches on the Gemini.
One thing I really like about the Tomcat is that it only weighs about half of the Gemini. Logically it should go faster, a lot faster than the Gemini.
Another really nice cat is the MarineCat 30. It is 18 feet wide and has a really cool open cockpit vs. bridge saloon. It makes more sense to me to have a huge cockpit since that is where you hang out at. The downside to that boat is the cost - 160K - and that it drafts a full 24 inches.
A really bad-azz ride is the Gunboat 37. South African built cat - over 18 feet wide, it is really a 34 foot boat with a bow sprint. It also drafts like 16 inches and is really built for speed. It also has the open cockpit design. Apparently they only made one so far and then had a dispute with the boatyard down in S. Africa. The guy offered it to me for 170K fully equipped. That would have been a good deal.
Bottomline for me is that I can't justify spending 150-170K for a boat right now. I would also have to spend 10-25K on dockage improvements in the backyard to properly dock such a boat.
The telestar 28 is a really nice boat for 60K. But you really aren't getting a bigger cabin and it drafts 12 inches. It also has a really small cockpit and I think would get ya wet from spray and stuff on a regular basis. Nice little screamer though. To me though it would be a lateral move for a good bit of money vs. a step up.
The little Mac26x really does everything I need for now. I've decided to sink some bucks into it so that I can take longer trips. I already have a lift built for it. I got mine fully equipped brand new for 25K. Then I spent 15K for the dock and lift. It really is a lot of boat for the price and I really don't need a replacement boat.
However, maybe in 4 or 5 years.... in the mean time looking is fun.
The other cats will be here at the St. Petersburg show but not the Tomcat. Too bad the quality isn't that great. Maybe it will improve after a few years.
The Gemini is only 14 feet wide. The Tomcat is 2 feet wider at 16 feet. It also drafts only 16 inches vs. 18 inches on the Gemini.
One thing I really like about the Tomcat is that it only weighs about half of the Gemini. Logically it should go faster, a lot faster than the Gemini.
Another really nice cat is the MarineCat 30. It is 18 feet wide and has a really cool open cockpit vs. bridge saloon. It makes more sense to me to have a huge cockpit since that is where you hang out at. The downside to that boat is the cost - 160K - and that it drafts a full 24 inches.
A really bad-azz ride is the Gunboat 37. South African built cat - over 18 feet wide, it is really a 34 foot boat with a bow sprint. It also drafts like 16 inches and is really built for speed. It also has the open cockpit design. Apparently they only made one so far and then had a dispute with the boatyard down in S. Africa. The guy offered it to me for 170K fully equipped. That would have been a good deal.
Bottomline for me is that I can't justify spending 150-170K for a boat right now. I would also have to spend 10-25K on dockage improvements in the backyard to properly dock such a boat.
The telestar 28 is a really nice boat for 60K. But you really aren't getting a bigger cabin and it drafts 12 inches. It also has a really small cockpit and I think would get ya wet from spray and stuff on a regular basis. Nice little screamer though. To me though it would be a lateral move for a good bit of money vs. a step up.
The little Mac26x really does everything I need for now. I've decided to sink some bucks into it so that I can take longer trips. I already have a lift built for it. I got mine fully equipped brand new for 25K. Then I spent 15K for the dock and lift. It really is a lot of boat for the price and I really don't need a replacement boat.
However, maybe in 4 or 5 years.... in the mean time looking is fun.
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Dimitri-2000X-Tampa
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TampaMac
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Well, just getting someone to show up to do an estimate was a real chore at the time. They're were like only three guys in the business at the time up in this area. One didn't return phone calls, one my neighbor had used and told me he took 18 months to build the dock and lift after he gave him a deposit.
For that guy my neighbor tracked the guy down in a bar and had to physically drag him out to get his attention.
The guy I hired does really good work. Everything is way heavy duty. I've had it for over two years with absolutely no problems. The company is called Marine Products.
I have a ten thousand pound lift, real heavy duty construction on everything, the dock is kind of triangular 15 by 15 or so. I also had them put white plastic deckcap on the decking. I would really reccomend the deckcap, it looks great and protects the decking from weathering.
Anyway, I believe the total was around $10,500 w/tax etc. Then I had to dig a trench and hire an electrician to hook it up. So something over 11K total.
I had the same guy pour a bunch of concrete in the back along the seawall for another 4-5K.
The biggest expense with any dock is the pilings. Figure on $800-1000 each if they have to be drilled in, maybe $450-600 each if you have a soft bottom that doesn't need drilling.
Do the math. You have to have at least 4 pillings to do a lift. If they have to be drilled in that alone is $3200 to $4000. Then you buy the 10K lift for another $5K or so. Then the decking and labor.... it's going to be minimum 10K but easily 25K ... especially if you don't really look around.
My knowledge is almost three years old, I suspect things are more expensive now. And remember you have to get a permit from everyone, the city, the county, the Army Corps of Engineers, etc. to do a dock. It is ridiculous.
But the dock is just plain worth it. Being able to throw it in the water in 3 minutes is nice.
For that guy my neighbor tracked the guy down in a bar and had to physically drag him out to get his attention.
The guy I hired does really good work. Everything is way heavy duty. I've had it for over two years with absolutely no problems. The company is called Marine Products.
I have a ten thousand pound lift, real heavy duty construction on everything, the dock is kind of triangular 15 by 15 or so. I also had them put white plastic deckcap on the decking. I would really reccomend the deckcap, it looks great and protects the decking from weathering.
Anyway, I believe the total was around $10,500 w/tax etc. Then I had to dig a trench and hire an electrician to hook it up. So something over 11K total.
I had the same guy pour a bunch of concrete in the back along the seawall for another 4-5K.
The biggest expense with any dock is the pilings. Figure on $800-1000 each if they have to be drilled in, maybe $450-600 each if you have a soft bottom that doesn't need drilling.
Do the math. You have to have at least 4 pillings to do a lift. If they have to be drilled in that alone is $3200 to $4000. Then you buy the 10K lift for another $5K or so. Then the decking and labor.... it's going to be minimum 10K but easily 25K ... especially if you don't really look around.
My knowledge is almost three years old, I suspect things are more expensive now. And remember you have to get a permit from everyone, the city, the county, the Army Corps of Engineers, etc. to do a dock. It is ridiculous.
But the dock is just plain worth it. Being able to throw it in the water in 3 minutes is nice.
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kevin carroll
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Alternatives
The one good thing about the Gemini is, it is a proven design with hundreds of hulls and an active base of owners. I have looked at it quite a few times. I have even kept my eye open for a used one on the market. Those boats really maintain their value and I have not seen anything in So Cal for under 100K.
Beautiful boat, just need the stock market to do its part so I can plunk down the dough. It is also very difficult to get a mooring for a cat in San Diego.
Kevin Carroll
Beautiful boat, just need the stock market to do its part so I can plunk down the dough. It is also very difficult to get a mooring for a cat in San Diego.
Kevin Carroll