Island Packet 31

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Island Packet 31

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My neighbor finally got his Packet in the water, and took me along for his first sail as the boat owner (he did a test sail before purchase). He's had a good bit of work done before he could splash it, including a new shaft seal/packing. During the test sail it was leaking so badly that they sat in the travel lift to make sure the bilge pump could keep up with the leak.

At any rate, we boarded about 0930 this morning and motored out of the Mobile Yacht Club marina into Dog River; passed under the bridge, and headed out the channel into Mobile Bay. My neighbor put me on the helm while he hoisted the main. Winds were quirky; starting around 5-10 knots out of the SW. After a bit, the breeze started to build to a steady 10 or better which the boat appreciated. The motion on the Packet 31 was noticeably less than my 26M - as one would expect. The bay was quite calm, the temp was relatively cool, and our speed ranged from 3.5 to 6.0 knots during the outing. You couldn't have rubbed the smile of my face with an angle grinder and a 60-grit disc. We went from the mouth of Dog River on a East/Southeast track across the ship channel. I fiddled with his port traveler stop to get it moving (14 years on the hard had left it stuck pretty good). Also, the fairlead to the headsail Furler didn't result in a good angle to the furling drum. This caused the furling line to get hung up on the stop knot in the drum.

We ran through a couple of tacks to get a feel for it. The boat tacked fairly easily. There was no traffic in the channel when we crossed going east, but coming back we had to work around a ship and a single barge tow. We passed just astern of the tow boat and I was surprised at the turbulence in the water and the impact it made on the Packet.

We saw four Coast Guard boats going south in the channel at high speed. Soon afterward, a ship that was well south of us in the channel executed a u-turn. I had never seen that before, but my neighbor said he had seen it a few times. We didn't know if the Coast Guard turned him around or if he just remembered that he left the toaster plugged in at home... I was amazed he was able to turn it around without running aground, but he did it easily.

Lunch was Cuban sandwiches and beer; with salted dark chocolate for dessert.

We saw several porpoises that came out to see if we needed assistance.

So, if you think docking a Mac in a cross-wind is fun (it is); you would enjoy a 31 ft full keel boat, also. It's different, but exhilarating nonetheless. There is a windage issue, but the maneuverability at low speed is virtually non-existent. Maneuvering in reverse at very low speed is almost impossible. It's the first time I had seen a really strong prop walk, and it wasn't walking in a direction that worked for us. At any rate, we had to abandon our first attempt and try again with a new approach - using what we learned from our first flop. The second attempt went much better and we backed her into the slip with minimal grunting and foul language. My neighbor was very happy that he was able to improve his docking performance over his first two attempts. His very first attempt resulted in some rub rail damage (glad I wasn't with him for that one).

Sorry I didn't get more pics, but I was too busy enjoying myself to do much documenting. Had a lot on my plate lately and really needed some time on the water.

View from the helm.
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The rain stayed around us, but didn't find us during our 3-1/2 hour trip. View looking north at a hazy downtown Mobile.
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That sounds like a fun little adventure! Hopefully he gets that heavy leak figured out. I always enjoy getting to sail other boats... bigger or smaller, it doesn't matter (just like motorcycles!)
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Jimmyt wrote: Thu Jun 03, 2021 3:34 pmHe's had a good bit of work done before he could splash it, including a new shaft seal/packing. During the test sail it was leaking so badly that they sat in the travel lift to make sure the bilge pump could keep up with the leak.
If the shaft seal is traditional packing, it has to saturate with water before it stops leaking. What's normally done is the packing is replaced on the hard, then at the end of the day the boat is launched and held overnight in the slings, just in case. Once it's soaked for many hours, the packing should stop leaking with the prop stationary. It should leak, by design, with the prop shaft turning, to the tune of a drop or two per minute.

Dripless seals are another thing altogether, and they work well until they don't work at all and water comes in at an alarming rate. I always stuck with traditional packing, which can be adjusted as required by tightening the big gland nut.

Island Packets are nice, though heavy for their size as I recall. But you can use that to your advantage in a crosswind when docking, though it helps to have lots of experience, and that only comes with, well, experience. :|
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svscott wrote: Fri Jun 04, 2021 5:04 am That sounds like a fun little adventure! Hopefully he gets that heavy leak figured out. I always enjoy getting to sail other boats... bigger or smaller, it doesn't matter (just like motorcycles!)
He had the shaft packing replaced after the test sail. No leak issues now. It was leaking two streams about the diameter of a standard wooden pencil. He also had the bottom repaired where the owner placed a stand incorrectly and put a dent in the hull. He had the prop replaced, some minor engine work done, also before going back in the water after the test sail. Teak refinishing is in progress, while the boat is in her slip. Looks like he may have to do motor mounts soon, too. But, he's in the water and can go sailing now, so he's pretty happy.

I agree on the boat (and motorcycle) observation. If it floats or rolls, I'm all about it. Although, my motorcycle riding has been very limited since I sold my last bike - due to a strong sense of self preservation. But, boating is something I can't get enough of. Give me a wash tub and an old tarp and I'll go sailing.
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Tomfoolery wrote: Fri Jun 04, 2021 5:19 am
Jimmyt wrote: Thu Jun 03, 2021 3:34 pmHe's had a good bit of work done before he could splash it, including a new shaft seal/packing. During the test sail it was leaking so badly that they sat in the travel lift to make sure the bilge pump could keep up with the leak.
If the shaft seal is traditional packing, it has to saturate with water before it stops leaking. What's normally done is the packing is replaced on the hard, then at the end of the day the boat is launched and held overnight in the slings, just in case. Once it's soaked for many hours, the packing should stop leaking with the prop stationary. It should leak, by design, with the prop shaft turning, to the tune of a drop or two per minute.

Dripless seals are another thing altogether, and they work well until they don't work at all and water comes in at an alarming rate. I always stuck with traditional packing, which can be adjusted as required by tightening the big gland nut.

Island Packets are nice, though heavy for their size as I recall. But you can use that to your advantage in a crosswind when docking, though it helps to have lots of experience, and that only comes with, well, experience. :|
Veeeery interesting, and as always Tom, you provide some interesting wisdom.

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Tomfoolery wrote: Fri Jun 04, 2021 5:19 am
If the shaft seal is traditional packing, it has to saturate with water before it stops leaking.

Dripless seals are another thing altogether, and they work well until they don't work at all and water comes in at an alarming rate.
Helped him install a freshwater flushing tank for the head today and got a chance to look at the new shaft seal. Looks like he went for door #2.

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Jimmyt wrote: Mon Jun 07, 2021 2:20 pm
Tomfoolery wrote: Fri Jun 04, 2021 5:19 am
If the shaft seal is traditional packing, it has to saturate with water before it stops leaking.

Dripless seals are another thing altogether, and they work well until they don't work at all and water comes in at an alarming rate.
Helped him install a freshwater flushing tank for the head today and got a chance to look at the new shaft seal. Looks like he went for door #2.

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Cooling water hose - dripless shaft seal.

But why was it leaking? :|
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Tomfoolery wrote: Mon Jun 07, 2021 5:11 pm But why was it leaking? :|
Short answer - don't know.

The old one was a dripless design also - but different design than the new one. I never saw it in the water (he only went for the test sail with it leaking), but he showed me a video of it and the leak source was obscured by the shaft. :x I begged him to let me help him change it, but he paid the local yard to do it. He said it was too tight of a spot and you had to be almost hanging upside down to get it. So, I probably dodged a bullet...

Anyway, could have been the bellows - the seal could have been 14 years old or more. Boat was on the hard for 14 years if I recall correctly. The yard changed out the whole assembly - which was ok with my buddy. He has a pretty healthy budget to bring the boat up to snuff.
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Jimmyt wrote: Mon Jun 07, 2021 6:24 pmAnyway, could have been the bellows - the seal could have been 14 years old or more. Boat was on the hard for 14 years if I recall correctly. The yard changed out the whole assembly - which was ok with my buddy. He has a pretty healthy budget to bring the boat up to snuff.
The bellows provide the force to push the two face seals together, assuming it was that style and not lip seals, so tired bellows would certainly allow water intrusion. And being that old, the seals may actually leak. I don't think the face seals would leak, though, unless very badly worn, as there's nothing to dry out and crack. But my experience with face seals is primarily in heavy equipment, where planetary final drives are sealed using large diameter face seals.

My keel boat, and others I've been involved with, used a stuffing box and flax packing with big gland nut. In fact, I still have the giant Channellocks I bought specifically to adjust the gland nut. :wink:

Curious as to why a new shaft seal using face seals would leak, though. Doesn't sound right. The whole idea is that they don't leak at all, so you can dry out your bilge and it'll stay that way.
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Tomfoolery wrote: Tue Jun 08, 2021 5:32 am Curious as to why a new shaft seal using face seals would leak, though. Doesn't sound right. The whole idea is that they don't leak at all, so you can dry out your bilge and it'll stay that way.
I have confused you somehow. The original seal (14 years old) leaked badly during the test sail. He pulled the boat after the test sail, bought it, and had the shaft seal system replaced. It is dry as a bone now. The new one doesn't leak at all.

Sorry about that. :|
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Jimmyt wrote: Tue Jun 08, 2021 5:55 am
Tomfoolery wrote: Tue Jun 08, 2021 5:32 am Curious as to why a new shaft seal using face seals would leak, though. Doesn't sound right. The whole idea is that they don't leak at all, so you can dry out your bilge and it'll stay that way.
I have confused you somehow. The original seal (14 years old) leaked badly during the test sail. He pulled the boat after the test sail, bought it, and had the shaft seal system replaced. It is dry as a bone now. The new one doesn't leak at all.

Sorry about that. :|
Oh.

[Emily Litella voice] Never mind. [/Emily Litella voice]

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Tomfoolery wrote: Tue Jun 08, 2021 6:04 am [Emily Litella voice] Never mind. [/Emily Litella voice]

:|
You got me. I had to look up Emily Litella. :)
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Well, after chasing topside leaks, and cutting access holes in the water tanks so that the 14 year-old funk could be cleaned out :| my buddy's Packet is making regular outings. He has a family from Louisiana staying with him now including his nephew (a Tulane student), courtesy of Ida. So, he asked if I wanted to go with him and his nephew sailing.

We left just after noon to try and catch the afternoon breeze. Windy app said there wouldn't be much to work with, and unfortunately, nailed-it... My mom passed away a few months back and my life has been cleaning out a house, sorting through belongings, and doing paperwork. So, a day on the water, even without wind, would be a huge relief. Yes, my boat is currently hemmed in by furniture and boxes... :( His boat rode out Ida in the marina with a lot of extra lines. Fortunately, there was only a few feet of surge, so no problems with the boat. I would have had a stroke...

We had a nice afternoon of ghosting along under the kite, at about the speed of smell. But it was great! Very relaxing.

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My buddy giving his nephew a lesson in launching the kite...

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Jimmyt wrote: Sun Sep 05, 2021 5:55 am His boat rode out Ida in the marina with a lot of extra lines. Fortunately, there was only a few feet of surge, so no problems with the boat. I would have had a stroke...
I was having a stroke just watching the weather channel from 1,000 miles away.

Sorry for the loss of your mom. Sounds like you have a lot of work cut out for you. My M-I-L is 86 and her house is jammed packed with stuff. We dread the day we have to deal with that house.
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