Is 150% KH 5oz genoa too heavy for CDI
- richter372001
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Is 150% KH 5oz genoa too heavy for CDI
furler? I have way too much sag, unless I tighten the stays so much that the mast rake is humonguous, and I have to struggle to put the genoa pin in as it is...
Anyone have the same problems?
Is making the Genoa smaller the solution?
Anyone have the same problems?
Is making the Genoa smaller the solution?
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Re: Is 150% KH 5oz genoa too heavy for CDI
It isn't too heavy for mine?
richter372001 wrote: ↑Tue Jun 22, 2021 1:07 pm furler? I have way too much sag, unless I tighten the stays so much that the mast rake is humonguous, and I have to struggle to put the genoa pin in as it is...
Anyone have the same problems?
Is making the Genoa smaller the solution?
- Jimmyt
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Re: Is 150% KH 5oz genoa too heavy for CDI
I have a 150 with a very heavy UV strip on it, so mine weighs a lot.richter372001 wrote: ↑Tue Jun 22, 2021 1:07 pm furler? I have way too much sag, unless I tighten the stays so much that the mast rake is humonguous, and I have to struggle to put the genoa pin in as it is...
Anyone have the same problems?
Is making the Genoa smaller the solution?
Sounds like you have rigging issues. You should have very tight shrouds and stays on a 26x, and your mast rake should not be much at all. The forestay length may need to be adjusted so when you adjust the shrouds, the mast remains almost vertical.
I have a mast raising system, and my forestay is still hard to pin. My rig is supposed to be less tight than yours to allow mast rotation. So, I'm sure yours will be difficult to pin when properly tuned. You may want to rig a line to the Furler with a loop you can stand in to put enough tension on it so you can pin it. Maybe some of the X guys will weigh in on the tricks they use.
But, you need to get the forestay tight and the mast vertical.
Do you have a mast raising system of some type or are you doing it by hand?
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- richter372001
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Re: Is 150% KH 5oz genoa too heavy for CDI
I've always done it by hand. And foot. And shoulder. And at least two of us.
I guess I'll check the turnbuckle in the furler. If the weight is not critical, it's the tuning, but I see not much room for adjustment there...
Thank you for the input!
I guess I'll check the turnbuckle in the furler. If the weight is not critical, it's the tuning, but I see not much room for adjustment there...
Thank you for the input!
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Re: Is 150% KH 5oz genoa too heavy for CDI
If you find yourself with a bit of extra cash, a mast raising system would be a good place to spend it. Build your own, or buy ready-made. It makes the job easier and safer.
http://shop.bwyachts.com/product-p/3418-1v0.htm
Here's a decent overview of rig tuning that might help. Most X owners that mention it, don't use much mast rake. The 26x manual gives guidance on rigging setup also. There have been discussion threads on rig tension and loos gauge use as well.
https://www.uksailmakers.com/encycloped ... g-your-rig
Good luck! Hope you get it sorted out soon.
http://shop.bwyachts.com/product-p/3418-1v0.htm
Here's a decent overview of rig tuning that might help. Most X owners that mention it, don't use much mast rake. The 26x manual gives guidance on rigging setup also. There have been discussion threads on rig tension and loos gauge use as well.
https://www.uksailmakers.com/encycloped ... g-your-rig
Good luck! Hope you get it sorted out soon.
Jimmyt
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Re: Is 150% KH 5oz genoa too heavy for CDI
Mast raising system to pull it forward and an adjustable backstay to make it easier to pull forward.
On my Prindle (rotating mast, no backstay) I used to use the trailer winch to tension the forestay while the boat was still on the trailer. It also doubled as a mast raising system if I was single-handing that day. It did not take a lot of extra tension. I just had a small loop that would go connect the forestay to the hook on the trailer winch. I'm sure that would work on the
as well (the tensioning part, not the raising part).
On my Prindle (rotating mast, no backstay) I used to use the trailer winch to tension the forestay while the boat was still on the trailer. It also doubled as a mast raising system if I was single-handing that day. It did not take a lot of extra tension. I just had a small loop that would go connect the forestay to the hook on the trailer winch. I'm sure that would work on the
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Re: Is 150% KH 5oz genoa too heavy for CDI
"a mast raising system would be a good place to spend it."
I have it
Might have used it once, years ago. It just seemed easier to have a friend help.
Thanks for your help, all!
I have it
Might have used it once, years ago. It just seemed easier to have a friend help.
Thanks for your help, all!
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Re: Is 150% KH 5oz genoa too heavy for CDI
The mast raising system gives you the option to raise the mast by yourself and it will allow you to pull everything really tight just long enough to get the forestay pinned. Around here the time spent setting it up more than makes up for the sweat saved. Humidity is at a nice, steady 100% right now. I've not seen it below 92% for a couple of days now. 
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Re: Is 150% KH 5oz genoa too heavy for CDI
Ok, maybe it is time to revisit the ole mast-raising system, then!
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Re: Is 150% KH 5oz genoa too heavy for CDI
Do you have the original mast raising system or the m style with the integrated winch? With the old system I can understand how one would think it is too much trouble. I modified mine torichter372001 wrote: ↑Wed Jun 30, 2021 5:53 am Ok, maybe it is time to revisit the ole mast-raising system, then!
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Re: Is 150% KH 5oz genoa too heavy for CDI
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Do you have the original mast raising system or the m style with the integrated winch? With the old system I can understand how one would think it is too much trouble. I modified mine to
like with an harbor freight trailer winch and it is so much easier!
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Original, the one for the X!
Do you have the original mast raising system or the m style with the integrated winch? With the old system I can understand how one would think it is too much trouble. I modified mine to
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Original, the one for the X!
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Re: Is 150% KH 5oz genoa too heavy for CDI
Definitely get the M's raising system or modify your old one. Makes a huge difference.
