Macgregor 30M 2008?

mattabbe · Post by **mattabbe** » Thu Jan 11, 2007 2:34 pm

Should Macgregor come out with a Mac 30? It would be the same boat, just lengthened, extend the large bed to a California King in length, increase the interior and also have a 6’4” headspace inside the boat so that most men can actually stand up inside. The boat would now have a 70hp as a standard install (still be able to go 20mph), and still be trailerable. Is it a good idea, would you consider one?

Post by **kmclemore** » Thu Jan 11, 2007 3:00 pm

Been there.

Done that.

Got the...

T-Shirt.

David Mellon · Post by **David Mellon** » Thu Jan 11, 2007 3:35 pm

Would this mean room for a team of rowers? I figure eight slaves per side should get us eleven knots. Oh, and hopefully more room in the cockpit and a shower.

RandyMoon · Post by **RandyMoon** » Thu Jan 11, 2007 3:43 pm

If I was going 30 foot or larger, I would be looking at manufacturers who have a long history of building comfort with good sailing characteristics into the boat. While I am a super Mac fan, I would think that moving to a 30 foot rig would be for more people, entertaining, etc. Catalina and Hunter has longer experience in meeting that criteria.

Rob Roy Macgregor · Post by **Rob Roy Macgregor** » Thu Jan 11, 2007 4:46 pm

Would you like to supersizeyour Mac. meal deal?
I think it all depends what you are looking for. There are lots of luxury 30 footers out there at luxury prices. If MacGregor wants to continue the low price tradition with a good, well built basic boat at a sensible price that those with a modest income, like me can afford, then I am all for it.
I would like the extra room of a bigger boat. I can get an older 30 footer at a reasonable price, but I don't want to risk having to do major repairs.
No, I think MacGregor will have a market for this boat. After all, there are a lot of expensive 26 footers out there and we are sailing MacGregors, that must say something.

Night Sailor · Post by **Night Sailor** » Thu Jan 11, 2007 5:15 pm

A trailerable 30 footer has been done many times. Now days they are very expensive. But it wasn't always so. I owned a 1973 Coastal Marine CM30 sloop with fixed fin keel of 4' draft, 8' beam. It was designed by Crealock and did very well in all kinds of weather under motor or sail.
Powered by a Johson 15 hp in a motor well in front of the transom. Tiller steering with transom hung rudder.
I'd love to have a similar sized boat with a swing centerboard so more headroom was available inside, but a planing type aft section to allow planing with a 75 or 90 hp outboard on the stern. And, it could be designed from scratch to be operated with a full enclosure in place if desired. That would make a lot sales from cruisers I'll bet!

jetta01 · Post by **jetta01** » Thu Jan 11, 2007 6:31 pm

Heck with the length...I say...Give us some more width dang it!!!

Duane Dunn, Allegro · Post by **Duane Dunn, Allegro** » Thu Jan 11, 2007 6:48 pm

As has been said many times before, Roger will not go longer the 26 or wider than 8'.

It has nothing to do with cost. He could easily make bigger boats on the cheap as he has done a few times in the past. Look at the cat or the 65' as an example.

The issue is the current size boat is as big as you can go and still fit two boats in a single cargo shipping container.

Go wider or longer and you have just doubled your shipping costs. Remember Roger is an accountant first, and a boat builder second.

Dimitri-2000X-Tampa · Post by **Dimitri-2000X-Tampa** » Thu Jan 11, 2007 7:37 pm

An interesting theory that you've mentioned before Duane. But if Roger built a 30X, the price would be a good deal higher than the 26 footer so the people who would be in that market would probably not mind paying for a doubled shipping cost. Ie, if the boat ends up costing 30-40K, the double priced shipping cost is pretty negligible. It wouldn't make much sense adding 4 feet to the length without at least adding another foot to the beam either IMO. I wouldn't mind getting a trailering permit...for my family of 7, the extra size would be well worth it.

Actually, I would say that it is the trailering that is the key to the business model. Even though I don't trailer much living in FL on the water, most people who buy a Mac do trailer a lot and if you had a 30 foot lenght and a 9 foot beam, it would make the trailering more difficult and wouldn't appeal as much to the masses. Too bad, cause I'm still waiting for that boat. I think I could give up trailering if I could find a Mac "like" boat in that size range. Centerboarded, 1 foot draft, 20+ mph powering, etc. Make the Vberth bigger and add one more quarter bunk somehow so we could comfortably sleep 7 down below.

Terry · Post by **Terry** » Thu Jan 11, 2007 8:11 pm

I too believe the trailering is part of the economics equation but also think 7'9" of beam is just plain unacceptable. Most jurasdictions have a legal trailering width of 8'6" without a permit, a few states are the exception. A wider beam would be a huge plus perhaps along with a an extra foot or two say 27-28' LOA & 8'6" beam and that would not have such a negative impact on price. That the boat is water ballast & can be towed with a class 3 hitch & tow vehicle and be both power & sail makes it unique, and desireable and affordable. It is just a tad too skinny for me, other than that it is a great concept.

beene · Post by **beene** » Fri Jan 12, 2007 8:10 am

I try to avoid looking at it head on or from the stern, it's the ONLY time I agree with Eric that it looks like an "Ugly-Skinny-Duck".

Toooooo skinny for sure. 8'6... what a dream that would be.

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albion · Post by **albion** » Fri Jan 12, 2007 9:40 am

There is a 28 x 8'6" boat already out there. Its called or was called MAST. I believe they changed the name now.Its produced in Poland and the one I looked at was around $45000.Its a larger copy of the MAC26M

Rob Roy Macgregor · Post by **Rob Roy Macgregor** » Fri Jan 12, 2007 12:43 pm

The boat you are referring to is by Arka Yachts and the model is the Odin 820. The specs actually show a beam of 8'2". Looks a lot like like the Mac, but inside has more wood. It takes a 75Hp. But beware, it doesn't come in blue, so speed will be less

link is http://www.arkallc.com/

albion · Post by **albion** » Fri Jan 12, 2007 1:35 pm

Rob Roy Macgregor wrote:The boat you are referring to is by Arka Yachts and the model is the Odin 820. The specs actually show a beam of 8'2". Looks a lot like like the Mac, but inside has more wood. It takes a 75Hp. But beware, it doesn't come in blue, so speed will be less
link is http://www.arkallc.com/

You are correct. I saw one a couple of years ago with the MAST name at the time.I couldnt remember the specs , thought it was 8'ft 6" I went to a dealer in Burton Ohio near where I live to look at a Mac 26M. As that dealer no longer has a web site I ended up going all the way to Bill at B4S in Wisc. (TWICE)I bought the 26M last August.

Catigale · Post by **Catigale** » Fri Jan 12, 2007 4:36 pm

Deac has one on this Board, I believe....

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Macgregor 30M 2008?

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