1972 Venture 2-22 ReFurbish "Knot 4 Sail"

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1972 Venture 2-22 ReFurbish "Knot 4 Sail"

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UPDATE: Hello all. I have decided to go another direction. That means I will be selling the boat and parts all as a collection or piece it out.

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~Rich---Hamin' X~
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I am going to start this refurbish log again with high hopes of success. I was momentarily distracted by another sailboat but have since come to my senses.

So far I have:

Here are some pics.
Purchase day
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Vberth and foam
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Salvaged Hub Cap
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Re: 1972 Venture 2-22 Reburbish

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More pics.

Fiberglass damage, starboard chain plate.
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Possible galley counter and drawers found at the junkyard today. It is pretty small, about 22 inches wide by 3 feet long by about 2 feet tall. Sanded the top to see if I could get some stains out. I have a sink with a manual pump type faucet salvaged from another boat that I may install in the counter top. Don't know how practical the sink would be though. Also new mast post.
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I refurbished this winch salvaged from another trailer. It was nothing but rust. I used the electrolytic rust removal process using a battery charger, water and baking soda. It worked really well. Painted and now ready for service.
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Re: 1972 Venture 2-22 Reburbish

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Just my personal preference leaking through here, but if it were me, I'd paint that topside white (unless you're partial to the blue). It would give the boat a more modern, fresh appearance.

You don't have a bad boat, there. It needs some work, sure; but the pictures make it look like it's still in reasonably good structural shape. From your other post, if the mast off of the SF22 is heavier, I wouldn't use it. The keel's ballast is only 500 lbs, so increasing weight that high above the waterline might make the boat feel softer when it leans in the breeze, if you catch my meaning. Again, that's just my opinion. I leave it open to others to prove me wrong. :)

That trailer winch in the picture is for the trailer and not the keel, right? (forgive the question if you already knew better :D )
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More pics.

The keel as it sets on the trailer. I plan to drop it out. A PO told me he completely rebuilt it in the 90's. It is cracked so I would guess it is going to need another rebuild.
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Acquired this 1972 Johnson with a parts sailboat. Appears to be in pretty good shape. It will require a carb overhaul and lubricant change at a minimum. I purchased new decals via Ebay. Not an exact match but with a new paint job it will look good.
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Looking aft, under the cockpit. Window frames and foam blocks in view.
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ChockFullOnuts22 wrote:Just my personal preference leaking through here, but if it were me, I'd paint that topside white (unless you're partial to the blue). It would give the boat a more modern, fresh appearance.

You don't have a bad boat, there. It needs some work, sure; but the pictures make it look like it's still in reasonably good structural shape. From your other post, if the mast off of the SF22 is heavier, I wouldn't use it. The keel's ballast is only 500 lbs, so increasing weight that high above the waterline might make the boat feel softer when it leans in the breeze, if you catch my meaning. Again, that's just my opinion. I leave it open to others to prove me wrong. :)

That trailer winch in the picture is for the trailer and not the keel, right? (forgive the question if you already knew better :D )
Thanks for the input Chock. I have physically lifted both masts to compare their weight. I would like to weigh them both to get an accurate number but I haven't figured out how to do that yet. The SF22 mast is about 8 inches longer than the V22's. I have no particular reason to use the SF22 mast other than it is in better shape and the standing rigging is also in better shape. Of course cable length will be an issue.

I kick lots of ideas around and usually end up back where I started from but I find it can be a good thing to consider all possibilities no matter how goofy they might sound initially.

I plan to order from RAKA latter this week for my fiberglass supplies.

Yes, the winch is for the trailer. :) The keel winch will need refurbished or replaced also though.

The paint plan so far is to sand, repair, fill and paint with Petit Easypoxy. I used that paint on my teardrop camper roof: http://www.mikenchell.com/forums/album_ ... er_id=6668 and found it easy to work with. The deck will be either white or off white and possibly jade green or blue on the hull. That's the plan for now anyway.
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It sounds like you're well on a good track with this project. And that outboard you have is a GOOD one. I used to run one of those on my V222 until the pull-starter mechanism went kablooey twice within a month. At $40 per spring retainer (a cheap cast aluminum screw with a notched nipple at the bottom that holds the starter spring), it was too expensive to keep buying them. Plus, the engine was a short shaft (a real pain in choppy water, unless you have a motor mount bracket that can lower the motor deeper in the water). My father still owned my boat when the starter trouble happened, and ended up replacing the outboard with an 80's Johnson 6 hp Sailmaster. And let me say that, after using the 6 hp outboard for the last 2 summers, I DEEPLY miss the old 9.5. I know that people like to argue about hull speed with these boats, but there was a real difference between the 9.5 and the 6 hp motors in terms of speed when you're running to shore to get away from an unexpected thunderstorm.

Good choice on the fiberglass vendor. I hear that RAKA and West Systems are the two best on the market for boat fiberglass repair. I've done budget repairs in the past with Bondo brand kits, polyester resin, and it's junk. It lasts for a couple of seasons and starts to crack. I never hear complaints about West or RAKA, though.

The keel still doesn't look bad. MUCH better than mine. Mine completely delaminated a few years back, and I did a quick relamination job (and a very poor one at that). I'm consequently going to have to drop the keel out of the boat in this coming Spring to do it right this time. If you completely redo your keel, make absolutely sure to get the shape right. The foil shape does make a difference in reducing drag on the keel while sailing.

Keep the updates coming! :D
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Re: 1972 Venture 2-22 Reburbish

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Awwwwwww what a sweetheart. This is the exact boat and color scheme I bought 12 years ago for 1600 bucks. Mine was in fine shape but I beefed up the rigging and did some changing of the inside before taking it to the Bahamas and having the time of my life there. Since then I have done quite a bit of changing including a foamcored hardtop to replace the poptop got rid of the dinette and head compartment pitched the stock rig and put in a freestanding lug main and a small mizzen. The rig is experimental but based on my use of the boat Iove it. You pictures bring back pleasent and not so pleasent memories of the way my boat was when I got her except for the keel. Mine was perfect and remained perfect until the yacht was hit by lightening and that damaged the glass sheathing of the keel. Next haul out that's on the fix list.
While I had the stock rig I added fiberglass to the outside of the hull where the chainplates go and made new ones from bronze. Highly recommended. With fairing no one could tell there is two layers of additional biax on the outside of the hull. Since the new rig is free standing the chainplates are not in use any longer but they sure look nice. I also added a plate of metal to the bridgedeck where the keel winch bolts come up.
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Ixneigh, I would love to see some pics of your boat. Sounds very interesting. Thanks for the ideas.
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Ah, the fun begins ! I look forward to watching your progress. I too, would agree that white will make the boat look more modern. Another thing it will do is hide imperfections in the fiberglass. The darker you go in color , the more perfect the fiberglass must be.
As far as weighing the mast or other things, get a digital fish scale at Walmart. They're 15 or 20 bucks and will make it easy to weigh anything you want to hang from it.

... Oh, one observation ( what I would do ) when you repair the chainplate hole, I would fiberglass the whole thing as a solid patch, covering the entire area, and after it's cured cut a new hole for the chainplate. It will be stronger than if you try to patch the hole, leaving a space open.
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Jovacs, Thanks so much for the guidance. The fish scale is a great idea as is the thoughts on how to attack the fiberglass repair. I know you separated the deck and the hull on your boat. Would you recommend that? My thoughts for my situation are: 1. I need to remove the rub rail channel, clean and reseal the joint anyway. 2. It seems like it would make it much easier to prep and paint the interior. My concern is that do I really need to go to that much effort and is it a major job to re-align the halves? Any thoughts?
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If you have a building that has expozed rafters, or some other way that you can lift the deck from the hull, I would seperate them. It will make it easier to get the job done more thoroughly. I felt like, with my boat, that I was opening a can of worms. I actually was, but if I hadn't , the worms would have still been there, and I would've had to eventually do it little by little, and it would've always bugged me. Another good reason to seperate is if you plan to prep and paint the hull, it's easier when it's upside down. Getting it back together isn't too bad if you have some help and some patience. 20 or 30 thin wooden shims stuck to the hull with masking tape that stick up an inch or two above the lip, and lower the deck down to them, will help to line everything up nicely
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Thanks Joevacs!

Did a little prep work today. Got the boat off the trailer so I could check the keel and I was happy with what I found.
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The keel is in better shape than I thought. The white flaking is just paint and the fiberglass appears to be in good shape except for a crack on the very bottom of the keel.
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I think I will replace the cable and cable bolt for sure and I will at least check the condition of the pivot bolt while I am at it. I think I will clean the cracked area thoroughly and seal up with epoxy and filler. I imagine the steel will continue to rust and will eventually cause more damage as it expands but I may be able to get a season or two out of it before investing more time and money in a complete keel rebuild. The keel swings freely but the winch will need attention. The Hull bottom looks to be in good condition also.

The trailer will get new bunks, wiring, lights, paint and bearing overhaul. Trying to decide on the best way to replace the bunks, treated 2x8's with carpet or?? Also thinking about mounting the trailer lights up high on the guide-on's so they don't have to be dunked.

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Built some new trailer bunks today. I used 2x8x10 treated lumber and then added some composite "skids" to the top.
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The material is extruded plastic with wood fiber in the mix. A friend gave me about 200 board feet of the stuff several years ago. He got it from his company that makes plastic extrusion equipment and these boards are from a trial run. I have used it for lots of outdoors construction and the stuff is extremely water resistant, dense and strong. Another feature is that when it is wet it is extremely slippery, a good thing for launching the boat I would think. We will see how it holds up.
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I hope those lag bolts are SS..... :| :| :|
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Catigale wrote:I hope those lag bolts are SS..... :| :| :|
Do you really think I would skimp and just buy a bunch of "by-the-pound" hardware from my local tractor supply store? Well :?

Your absolutely right. Nice catch! My local stainless hardware supply was closed Sunday so I built the "concept" bunks using cheap, rust prone hardware but never fear, all will be replaced with the right stuff very soon. 8) There is a total of about 16 bolts, screws, washers and nuts to replace.
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